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So Much Hatred and Disdain for Ronald Reagan - from MAGAs and the left.

Like it or not, and regardless of his economic policies and cultural positions, the United States not only avoided World War III, but we won the Cold War.

Give credit when credit is due.
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The new movie about him is a hagiography. He is also responsible for the destructive social policies and Iran-Contra, which probably should have put him in prison.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@LeopoldBloom

There's no evidence that Reagan was aware of Iran-Contra.

Admiral Poindexter said he made the decision NOT to tell the president.
@beckyromero The movie pretty much glosses over all that. Also, the actual fall of the USSR and managing the aftermath was under George H.W. Bush, and in the movie, he is on screen for only a few minutes.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@LeopoldBloom

Yes, the break-up of the USSR and the Berlin Wall coming down happened when Bush was president. But it was Reagan who charted the course that Bush inherited.

Without Reagan's speech, those events may have never have happened. Just as a Nazi defeat in World War II was NOT inevitable, neither was the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Bush was far more cautious than Reagan. Thank goodness Margaret Thatcher was here visiting when Iraq invaded Kuwait ("Don't go wobbly, George.")
@beckyromero I wouldn't give Reagan as much credit for the end of the USSR. Gorbachev's policies of glasnost and perestroika were attempts to address internal issues, not reactions to anything Reagan was doing. He should get some credit even if it wasn't intentional. Also, Lech Walesa and the Solidarity movement had an effect. It's also possible that the Chernobyl disaster allowed more people to admit openly that the suppression of independent thought and the culture of everyone constantly watching everyone else wasn't conducive to development. The debacle in Afghanistan didn't help either.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@LeopoldBloom
The debacle in Afghanistan didn't help either.

That debacle wouldn't have happened without Reagan's support to fund the Afghan resistance.

It was President Reagan who authorized the shipments of the Stinger missile, which was the turning point by shooting down Soviet helicopters and aircraft. (The Joint Chiefs were against it.)

Gorbachev was a communist. He believed that a restructing of the Soviet economy was needed to make it more efficient.

The Soviet Union, the world's biggest producer of steel, raw materails, fuel and energy, has shortfalls in them due to wasteful or inefficient use. One of the biggest producers of grain for food, it neverless has to buy millions of tons of grain a year for fodder. We have the largest number of doctors and hospital beds per thousand of the population and, at the same time, there are glaring shortcomings in our health services. Our rockets can find Halley's comet and fly to Venus with amazing accuracy, but side by side with these scientific and technological triumphs is an obvious lack of effeciency in using scientific achivements for economic needs, and many Soviet households appliances are of poor quality.

But even as late as 1987 he was still in denial about the U.S. military buildup.

Gorbachev knew, but was loathe to admit it, that restructuring the Soviet economy would be extremely difficult without reducing Soviet military spending.

As far as United States foreign policy is concerned, it is based on at least two delusions. The first is the belief that the economic system of the Soviet Union is about to crumble and that the USSR will not succeed in restructuring. The second is calculated on Western superiority in equipment and technology and, eventually, in the military field. These illusions nourish a policy geared toward exhausting socialism through the arm race.

Source: Perestroika by Mikhail Gorbachev. pp. 7, 206.

Did Reagan deserve all the credit for winning the Cold War? Of course not.

Rep. Charlie Wilson, a Democrat in rural Texas, was the driving force in Congress to help the Afghans.

We had great partners in NATO leaders at the time: Margaret Thatcher, Helmut Kohl, Brian Mulroney and others.

There was support in Congress for the increased military spending, especially a revitalization of the U.S. Navy. John Lehman was a fantastic Secretary of the Navy.
Jimmy2016 · 61-69, M
@beckyromero Reagan just couldn't recall what happened when he was asked by congress...........I don't recall............I don't recall............I don't recall..........
@LeopoldBloom Clinton actually got caught supplying the air field in Arkansas for Iran Contra. Americans called me a Hateful Person who's not even a Democrat for mentioning it. Dems of Hawaii. 1/4 infiltrators.
@Roundandroundwego Please provide a citation for that claim that isn't from a right wing source.
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beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@LeopoldBloom

If you haven't noticed by now, @Roundandroundwego spends a lot of time trolling my posts and posting nonsense.
@beckyromero I have noticed. I've also noticed that his posts here border on incoherence.