State of the US: A matter of perspective

@Kwek00 So what is a non-simplistic opinion, then? And what more is going on? Am I attaching opinions to groups or are those groups themselves espousing those points of views?

My post was the opposite of generalisation - it shows that every generalisation seems not to capture the entirety of the US as there is always a diametrically opposite counter-generalisation... so there is indeed a lot more going on than any one side cares to see.
Isn't it a lot less simplistic and more nuanced when you look at all sides?

@chilloutab2 The non-simplistic opinion is that: "the" democrats, "the" republicans, "the" [hordes crossing the border, "the" Chinese, "the" Russians, ... etc. , are all categories that excist out of individuals (and groups of individuals), that have diffrent ideas then the once you are mentioning in your mainpost. A lot of the ideas that I'm talking about, are also way more nuanced then the labels you say they have. The idea that all democrats perceive the other side as NAZIs, or "the" republicans perceive the other side as stalinists is pretty far fetched. But you might get that idea if you have a certain media diet, that excists out of people that yell the loudests and don't have any debt in their reasoning.


You are just taking the most extreme positions within those groups, and attributing those positions to all that are in the category. That's what your post does by writing it down like that. If you think that those groups themselves epsouse these points, then maybe it's time for you to change your media diet. Because if that trully is what you believe, you are probably hanging out on internet fora, social media sites, watching memes and listening to pundits too much.

Your conclussion is the opposite of a generalisation, which you derive from a bunch of generalisations.

@Kwek00 If I replaced the "the" with "most vociferous of the"... then will the observations hold?

@chilloutab2 In a way... yes. But then you already introduce nuance in your first statement:

"If you believe the most vociferous Democrats, the US is full of extremist right wingers (Nazis) that they are fighting to keep at bay.".

< So "democrats" as a label, already figured out that there was more going on. There are already democrats opposing the vieuws of the most vociferous of them.

@Kwek00 I'm sure we can at least generalise that Democrats want someone from their party to defeat Donald Trump in the US presidential elections... or is that too much of a generalisation for you that lacks nuance? I hope that is not "labeling" the Democrats? 😂😂😂

@chilloutab2 Well yes... because the democrats have a more moderate candidate. You see the opposite happening in the republican party. The radical nature of Donald Trump, has been splitting the party for the last 8 years. On Amanpour 2 days ago, there was a republican endorsing the democratic candidate.

If the democrats ever put a radical on the bill, something similair might occur.

@Kwek00 So saying that the Democrats want someone from their party to defeat Trump is still a generalisation of the Democrats??? What are you? A compulsive contrarian?
One thing I can generalise about you from our short exchange so far - you have to disagree for the sake of disagreeing... like, your disagreeing is pretty non-nuanced. 🙄

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@Kwek00 Yes what? Yes, its too much of generlisation for you that lacks nuance? Or yes, we can at least generalise that Democrats want someone from their party to defeat Trump?

@chilloutab2 The last one, I actually agree with you. Maybe you should read it again.

@Kwek00 Maybe you should be clearer... us people who are prone to generalisations do not share your elevated comprehension levels.
If you believe the world at large shares your facility with the English language and comprehension, then you are generalising about the world without nuance.

Glad to know you agree, though.

@chilloutab2 I'm sorry that you have issues reading and figuring things out... maybe you should work on that.

@Kwek00 You're the ideal I'm aspiring to, boss 👍

@chilloutab2 Trust me, I'm not. So I guess you need to do better in that department too.

2 messages ago, instead of blaming your shortcommings on me, maybe the answer should have been: "I'm sorry, I read it wrong, glad you agree with me". But I understand, it's way easier to blame shortcommings on someone else.

@Kwek00
Trust me, I'm not.
You're not what? Sorry, I could not comprehend that.


But I understand, it's way easier to blame shortcommings on someone else.
Sorry, apart from being able to spell "shortcomings" correctly, my general level is so abysmal that I have to generally generalise through life that others are to blame for my shortcomings. Aiming to do better, in emulation of you.

@chilloutab2 I'm no ideal to look up at, or build facets of your identity on.

I never said my english or spelling was any good... but I generaly do better at reading what the other person said. And when I make a mistake, I'll admit it, say sorry and move on. Espescially when I accuse the other person of saying the direct opposite of what they said.

When people start pointing at the spelling, instead of the context when talking on a website that can be used by everyone. And all the non-english speakers try to do their best to make themselves understandable in a language that they are foreign too. You know that you probably hit a nerve, and that person wants to recuperate some of their ego that got dented.

@Kwek00 You're the boss, boss!!!

Your humility is something to look up to.. or at! And, your ability to admit to your mistakes and apologise is enough to build an entire identity on, not just facets of it. Not to mention your God-like ability to psychoanalyse!!

I'm impressed!

@chilloutab2 What ever makes you feel better about yourself. 🙄

@Kwek00 How magnanimous and accommodating! Thank you!