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ElwoodBlues · M
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RepublicanDad · 36-40, M
@ElwoodBlues there just mad because it makes Biden and Kamala look bad. They never showed up!
ElwoodBlues · M
@RepublicanDad Actually, Trump's photo op stunt is illegal. Trump knowingly broke the law. As usual.
Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign. Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants.
— Arlington National Cemetery
— Arlington National Cemetery
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Why didn’t Harris show that day? Harris has never ever even mentioned the names of the dead heroes and is pretending they did not exist. @ElwoodBlues
LeopoldBloom · M
@jackjjackson If the day is so damn important, where was Trump on the last two anniversaries? Admit it, you never heard of "Abbey Gate" until a few days ago.
Also, nice deflection. The discussion is about Trump breaking the law by holding a campaign event at Arlington National Cemetery, and someone in his entourage assaulting a cemetery employee who tried to tell him that.
Also, nice deflection. The discussion is about Trump breaking the law by holding a campaign event at Arlington National Cemetery, and someone in his entourage assaulting a cemetery employee who tried to tell him that.
ElwoodBlues · M
@jackjjackson asks
It's because that "anniversary" was in no way an official event. It was something the Trump campaign dreamed up and tried to do on the sly. Trump requested permission to shoot his event Section 60 where recent burials have taken place. But, because campaign events are illegal in parts of Arlington Cemetery such as Section 60, so the request was denied.
So, instead of a publicity coup where Trump could say "where were ya?" it blew up in his face when one of his staffers engaged in a physical altercation with a female employee who was trying to enforce the law.
In short, it was an illegal phony campaign stunt, and THAT is why Harris wasn't there.
P.S. Here's the Army statement about the incident.
P.S. In the end, Trump avoided Section 60 and filmed his campaign event at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
Why didn’t Harris show that day?
Interesting question.It's because that "anniversary" was in no way an official event. It was something the Trump campaign dreamed up and tried to do on the sly. Trump requested permission to shoot his event Section 60 where recent burials have taken place. But, because campaign events are illegal in parts of Arlington Cemetery such as Section 60, so the request was denied.
So, instead of a publicity coup where Trump could say "where were ya?" it blew up in his face when one of his staffers engaged in a physical altercation with a female employee who was trying to enforce the law.
In short, it was an illegal phony campaign stunt, and THAT is why Harris wasn't there.
P.S. Here's the Army statement about the incident.
"Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds," the statement said. "An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. Consistent with the decorum expected at ANC, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption. The incident was reported to the JBM-HH police department, but the employee subsequently decided not to press charges. Therefore, the Army considers this matter closed."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
P.S. In the end, Trump avoided Section 60 and filmed his campaign event at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
LeopoldBloom · M
@ElwoodBlues Biden (and Trump) have both laid wreaths at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, but not as part of a campaign event. Those were official ceremonies. And it's pretty rich for any of the Trump fluffers on here to ask "where was Kamala" when Trump himself couldn't be bothered to do anything to commemorate Abbey Gate in 2022 or 2023. So much for this being a "solemn anniversary."
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
At least Biden was at the Dover UASF base when the bodies came in although looking at his watch every five seconds. Not Harris. Harris has had zero contact zero mention pretends it didn’t exist. @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloom · M
@jackjjackson Is the VP supposed to be at every event the President attends?
At least Harris didn't hold an illegal campaign event at a cemetery and have one of her entourage assault a cemetery employee who tried to inform her of that.
At least Harris didn't hold an illegal campaign event at a cemetery and have one of her entourage assault a cemetery employee who tried to inform her of that.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom
Families of the 13 fallen soldiers asked Trump to attend their gathering at Arlington. Trump said he had not planned for it but had to change his schedule to accommodate the request which he considered an honor to him. Apparently, the woke female cemetery official made a fuss and was put up to it by the Kamala camp. There was no assault. She was just told not to make a fuss over nothing.
At least Harris didn't hold an illegal campaign event at a cemetery and have one of her entourage assault a cemetery employee who tried to inform her of that.
Families of the 13 fallen soldiers asked Trump to attend their gathering at Arlington. Trump said he had not planned for it but had to change his schedule to accommodate the request which he considered an honor to him. Apparently, the woke female cemetery official made a fuss and was put up to it by the Kamala camp. There was no assault. She was just told not to make a fuss over nothing.
ElwoodBlues · M
@sree251 claims
BTW, That claim completely contradicts the statement released by the Army, and Trump's stunt violates federal law. Which law??
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/12.4
Apparently, the woke female cemetery official made a fuss and was put up to it by the Kamala camp
Source?? Some dark orifice??BTW, That claim completely contradicts the statement released by the Army, and Trump's stunt violates federal law. Which law??
Title 36 part 12 PART 12—NATIONAL CEMETERIES
§ 12.4 Special events and demonstrations.
Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent as having special historic and commemorative significance to a particular national cemetery. Committal services are excluded from this restriction.
§ 12.4 Special events and demonstrations.
Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent as having special historic and commemorative significance to a particular national cemetery. Committal services are excluded from this restriction.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/12.4
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
The families inviting him is the end of this story. Even Harris is smart enough to keep mum on this one. @ElwoodBlues
ElwoodBlues · M
@jackjjackson No. Not by any means. Sure, families can invite him, and he can lay wreaths. BUT. Making it into a "special event" of any kind is illegal. And he asked the Army. And the Army told him no. And he tried to do it any way.
"Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent ..."
"Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent ..."
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
If you believe that Trump was lying, then you need to contact families of the 13 fallen soldiers. Their photographs with Trump at the grave sites were taken at their requests. Trump was their guest. It was their special event to demonstrate their love and grief.
You don't have to put your two cents into this disgraceful hooha raised by the Kamala camp. If a law had been broken, the Department of Justice would have Trump arrested for bringing yet another slew of federal charges to indict him.
Source?? Some dark orifice??
BTW, That claim completely contradicts the statement released by the Army, and Trump's stunt violates federal law. Which law??
BTW, That claim completely contradicts the statement released by the Army, and Trump's stunt violates federal law. Which law??
If you believe that Trump was lying, then you need to contact families of the 13 fallen soldiers. Their photographs with Trump at the grave sites were taken at their requests. Trump was their guest. It was their special event to demonstrate their love and grief.
You don't have to put your two cents into this disgraceful hooha raised by the Kamala camp. If a law had been broken, the Department of Justice would have Trump arrested for bringing yet another slew of federal charges to indict him.
ElwoodBlues · M
@sree251 Sure, families can invite him, and he can lay wreaths. BUT. Making it into a "special event" of any kind is illegal. And he asked the Army. And the Army told him no. And he tried to do it any way.
Title 36 PART 12—NATIONAL CEMETERIES § 12.4
"Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent ..."
Lemme remind you of the Army statement about the incident:
Title 36 PART 12—NATIONAL CEMETERIES § 12.4
"Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent ..."
Lemme remind you of the Army statement about the incident:
"Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds," the statement said. "An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. Consistent with the decorum expected at ANC, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption. The incident was reported to the JBM-HH police department, but the employee subsequently decided not to press charges. Therefore, the Army considers this matter closed."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
We are not talking about Trump, the ordinary American citizen. We are talking about the 45th US President of the USA who travels with an entourage of aides, and security detail. You guys are being petty and deliberately turning it into a big deal over nothing.
No. Not by any means. Sure, families can invite him, and he can lay wreaths. BUT. Making it into a "special event" of any kind is illegal. And he asked the Army. And the Army told him no. And he tried to do it any way.
We are not talking about Trump, the ordinary American citizen. We are talking about the 45th US President of the USA who travels with an entourage of aides, and security detail. You guys are being petty and deliberately turning it into a big deal over nothing.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
Trump IS a special event wherever he goes. He is the 45th Commander-in-Chief of the US Military. Keep the Army out of this. It is just the caretaker of the cemetery. Ten-hutt! and get lost.
Sure, families can invite him, and he can lay wreaths. BUT. Making it into a "special event" of any kind is illegal. And he asked the Army. And the Army told him no. And he tried to do it any way.
Trump IS a special event wherever he goes. He is the 45th Commander-in-Chief of the US Military. Keep the Army out of this. It is just the caretaker of the cemetery. Ten-hutt! and get lost.
ElwoodBlues · M
@sree251 says
Here's what the Army said about Trump's Arlington National Cemetery stunt.
BTW, when you said
@sree251 says
Keep the Army out of this.
Yeah, keep the Army out of those military cemateries!! The Army shouldn't be in any national military cemeteries now should it???😂🤣😂🤣Here's what the Army said about Trump's Arlington National Cemetery stunt.
"Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds," the statement said. "An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. Consistent with the decorum expected at ANC, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption. The incident was reported to the JBM-HH police department, but the employee subsequently decided not to press charges. Therefore, the Army considers this matter closed."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
BTW, when you said
Apparently, the woke female cemetery official made a fuss and was put up to it by the Kamala camp
you neglected to provide the source for this information. Is it real?? If so, where did you learn it??@sree251 says
Keep the Army out of this.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@sree251 Traitor Tot isn't above the law. Just because you and his other cult members think he's the Second Coming of Christ doesn't make him so. He's a private citizen who happens to be running for president. It's illegal to film campaign events in Arlington Cemetery. It wasn't an "official commemoration;" Twitler isn't authorized to conduct those.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom
There are two narratives, one is yours and the other is Trump's. He said he was invited by the families of the 13 fallen soldiers to attend their gathering at the grave sites.
He's a private citizen who happens to be running for president. It's illegal to film campaign events in Arlington Cemetery. It wasn't an "official commemoration;" Twitler isn't authorized to conduct those.
There are two narratives, one is yours and the other is Trump's. He said he was invited by the families of the 13 fallen soldiers to attend their gathering at the grave sites.
LeopoldBloom · M
@sree251 That may be true, but those families don't have the right to grant him an exemption from federal law. And the family of at least one soldier whose gravestone is visible has said that they didn't invite him.
My narrative is the one based on facts and the law. Trump's is based on his desire to hold the campaign event there and his belief that the law doesn't apply to him. And of course, a Trump fluffer like you has total contempt for the law if your orange lord and savior is violating it.
My narrative is the one based on facts and the law. Trump's is based on his desire to hold the campaign event there and his belief that the law doesn't apply to him. And of course, a Trump fluffer like you has total contempt for the law if your orange lord and savior is violating it.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom
What federal law? Families of the fallen soldiers gathered at their grave sites with Trump as their guest. Why are you guys making such a big deal out of this matter? If I were invited instead of Trump, would you people be invoking the "federal law" against me? Apparently, Trump is a big deal. His very existence is offensive to federal law as far as you people are concerned.
What campaign event? Was there a rally planned for that occasion? Were there thousands of Trump supporters gathered at Arlington to watch Trump giving a speech at the grave sites of the 13 fallen soldiers in direct contravention of Arlington Cemetery rules? Being petty seems to be characteristic of you people. Pick, pick, pick using smarmy, snide arguments.
That may be true, but those families don't have the right to grant him an exemption from federal law. And the family of at least one soldier whose gravestone is visible has said that they didn't invite him.
What federal law? Families of the fallen soldiers gathered at their grave sites with Trump as their guest. Why are you guys making such a big deal out of this matter? If I were invited instead of Trump, would you people be invoking the "federal law" against me? Apparently, Trump is a big deal. His very existence is offensive to federal law as far as you people are concerned.
And the family of at least one soldier whose gravestone is visible has said that they didn't invite him. [quote]
The cemetery grounds have hundreds of gravestones and many must have been captured within the pictures taken with Trump. Sue the families who took the photos. This matter is getting really petty. Kamala petty, I would say.
[quote] My narrative is the one based on facts and the law. Trump's is based on his desire to hold the campaign event there and his belief that the law doesn't apply to him. And of course, a Trump fluffer like you has total contempt for the law if your orange lord and savior is violating it.
The cemetery grounds have hundreds of gravestones and many must have been captured within the pictures taken with Trump. Sue the families who took the photos. This matter is getting really petty. Kamala petty, I would say.
[quote] My narrative is the one based on facts and the law. Trump's is based on his desire to hold the campaign event there and his belief that the law doesn't apply to him. And of course, a Trump fluffer like you has total contempt for the law if your orange lord and savior is violating it.
What campaign event? Was there a rally planned for that occasion? Were there thousands of Trump supporters gathered at Arlington to watch Trump giving a speech at the grave sites of the 13 fallen soldiers in direct contravention of Arlington Cemetery rules? Being petty seems to be characteristic of you people. Pick, pick, pick using smarmy, snide arguments.
ElwoodBlues · M
@sree251 asks
And Trump asked for permission to film a campaign event in Arlington and was refused. Read the Army statement. I quoted it 2X already as well! Let's go for 3!!
BTW, when you said
What federal law?
Gosh, I quoted it 2X already. Let's go for 3! Title 36 part 12—NATIONAL CEMETERIES
§ 12.4 Special events and demonstrations.
Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent as having special historic and commemorative significance to a particular national cemetery. Committal services are excluded from this restriction.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/12.4§ 12.4 Special events and demonstrations.
Conducting a special event or demonstration, whether spontaneous or organized, is prohibited except for official commemorative events conducted for Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other dates designated by the superintendent as having special historic and commemorative significance to a particular national cemetery. Committal services are excluded from this restriction.
And Trump asked for permission to film a campaign event in Arlington and was refused. Read the Army statement. I quoted it 2X already as well! Let's go for 3!!
"Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds," the statement said. "An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. Consistent with the decorum expected at ANC, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption. The incident was reported to the JBM-HH police department, but the employee subsequently decided not to press charges. Therefore, the Army considers this matter closed."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
The Army, in its statement, called the incident "unfortunate," adding: "it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked."
BTW, when you said
Apparently, the woke female cemetery official made a fuss and was put up to it by the Kamala camp
you neglected to provide the source for this information. Is it real?? If so, where did you learn it??
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
Me too this is the third time I am telling you. Trump is not an ordinary person. He is a special event both to his MAGA followers and to you woke people - wherever he goes.
Trump was a guest of the Gold Star families who invited him to lay wreaths at their children's grave sites. You read what the Gold Star families said:
Gosh, I quoted it 2X already. Let's go for 3!
Me too this is the third time I am telling you. Trump is not an ordinary person. He is a special event both to his MAGA followers and to you woke people - wherever he goes.
And Trump asked for permission to film a campaign event in Arlington and was refused. Read the Army statement. I quoted it 2X already as well! Let's go for 3!!
Trump was a guest of the Gold Star families who invited him to lay wreaths at their children's grave sites. You read what the Gold Star families said:
President Trump was invited by us, the Gold Star families, to attend the solemn ceremonies commemorating the three-year anniversary of our children's deaths," said the relatives' joint statement. "He was there to honor their sacrifice, yet Vice President Harris has disgracefully twisted this sacred moment into a political ploy."
Christy Shamblin, Gee's mother-in-law, said in a 90-second message that Trump and his aides were "respectful" and a "a comfort" to the families who gathered at Arlington. Then she directly addressed her remarks to Harris.
"Why won't you return a call and explain how you call my daughter-in-law's death a success?" Shamblin said. "Why would you take a day where we celebrated the deaths of our loved ones and use it to disparage not only them, but us." (ABC News)
Christy Shamblin, Gee's mother-in-law, said in a 90-second message that Trump and his aides were "respectful" and a "a comfort" to the families who gathered at Arlington. Then she directly addressed her remarks to Harris.
"Why won't you return a call and explain how you call my daughter-in-law's death a success?" Shamblin said. "Why would you take a day where we celebrated the deaths of our loved ones and use it to disparage not only them, but us." (ABC News)
LeopoldBloom · M
@sree251 Trump may not be an "ordinary person," but he's a private citizen and must follow the law, same as everyone else.
If Trump wanted to hold a ceremony with the Gold Star families, he could have done that quietly instead of turning it into a spectacle with grinning and thumbs up, then posting it to TikTok as an illegal campaign event. No invitation from private citizens changes that. The Gold Star families don't own those grave sites; they're government property. If they want, they can disinter the remains and bury them on private land, where they can do anything they like.
Could your head be any further up Trump's ass?
If Trump wanted to hold a ceremony with the Gold Star families, he could have done that quietly instead of turning it into a spectacle with grinning and thumbs up, then posting it to TikTok as an illegal campaign event. No invitation from private citizens changes that. The Gold Star families don't own those grave sites; they're government property. If they want, they can disinter the remains and bury them on private land, where they can do anything they like.
Could your head be any further up Trump's ass?
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