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J.D. Vance Isn't Going to Help Trump. Will Hurt Him More Than Will Help Him.

Trump would have won Ohio anyway even if he picked MTG.

As far as the Blue Wall, no one in those states is going to get excited and say to themselves that they're going to vote for a Trump acolyte for V.P. who wasn't already going to vote for Trump anyway.

If anything, Vance will HURT Trump among crucial independents and help further galvanize Democrats to get out and vote.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Trump is almost certainly going to win anyway because your guy can't finish a sentence and should be in a nursing home.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123

He just had a strong rally in Las Vegas.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@beckyromero https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123

I wonder who they'd had bet on: Truman or Dewey?
deadgerbil · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 I'm waiting for Biden to fall on more stairs. Nearly every waking moment of his has potential to be a joke
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 @deadgerbil I know you find this funny and maybe it is but I wasn't taking the piss or even exaggerating. Biden IS that far gone and everyone in the world can see it apart from 50% of Democrats.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123 @deadgerbil

Democrats are not going to vote for Trump - and they are not going to stay home, either.

They battle is basically in three states: Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. It will be a turnout battle and who wins independents (mostly women in suburban districts).

I don't see why President Biden has to walk up the stairs to Air Force One without assistance. People age differently and he has issues with his legs. So did FDR.
deadgerbil · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 it's funny but also sad. They had four years to cultivate another younger candidate but didn't. Now we have to settle for a geriatric to beat an orange menace
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 This race is going to be very close.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@beckyromero FDR's health issues were late in the day. That is not a credible comparison and you know that.

If the standard is that the US President can probably walk up a flight of stairs unaided, then it is an alarmingly low bar.

If he remembers something and finishes a sentence, then you are relieved. It's clutching a whole stack of straws.

I actually want Biden to beat Trump and I would vote for him if I lived there, despite my massive issues with his stance on Gaza. The polling says he needs a miraculous comeback. How can he pull that off when he confuses Zelensky and Putin and looks like a frail and deluded old man. Which he is.


A generic democrat could beat Trump. Biden is (sigh) a dead men walking.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@luckranger71 I hope you are right. It's just relying on the amti-trump sentiment to override absolutely everything else. The BBC reported that the Republican's have paused attack adds on Biden to keep him in the race.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123

Biden has struggled with speech from stuttering his whole life. It is THE reason why he sometimes choses his words slowly and sometimes commits a gaffe or two.

But believe me. He has NEVER said that your country had airbases in North America during the American Revolutionary war, unlike someone else who is running for president.

FDR's health was already bad in 1941.

Don't believe the scenes from the movie, "Pearl Harbor."

FDR could not walk. Period. An illusion was created to make it look like he walked into the Joint Session of Congress to ask for a declaration of war, with his legs clamped straight into braces and one of his sons at his side.

The White House even had to arrange to use a car confiscated from Al Capone to get him to the Capitol.

If you haven't seen it, watch the documentary, "Pearl Harbor: 24 Hours After."

Here's a preview of what is discussed; the ending part of the previw is a shocker:

[media=https://youtu.be/SZ5_9ZRr-4Y]

Towards the later years of the war (not discussed in the documentary), Admiral Leahy was instrumental in running the White House and the war.

[media=https://youtu.be/v_Y07oj4FpE]

FDR was in very poor health when he ran for re-election in 1944.

https://www.amazon.com/Second-Most-Powerful-Man-World/dp/0399584803.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@beckyromero FDR was also still articulate and the New Deal behind him as a body of work.

"Biden has had a stutter his whole life."

Nobody with eyes buys this as an argument. I remember clips of him debating Sarah Pailin when they were both VP nominees. There is a world of difference He was cogent then and had his mental faculties.

Trump's ignorance of history is pathetic but it's also a factored in flaw and (for whatever reason) he has got away with this. Biden isn't getting away with his obvious cognitive decline
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123
I remember clips of him debating Sarah Pailin when they were both VP nominees.

That was 2008. News flash: people age.

I remember seeing a clip of Biden in the Senate when he said that FDR got on TV to tell Americans, "The only thing we have to fear is feat iself."

The problem with that? Americans did not have televisions in March 1933.

Biden has always been a "gaffe machine."

That does not mean he has dementia. Stop falling for the MAGA lies.

Oh, and in early 1944, FDR was suffering from reduced lung capacity, hypertension, acute bronchitis and acute congestive heart failure.

Don't take my word for it. Here are his physician's notes:

http://www.fdrlibraryvirtualtour.org/graphics/07-38/7.5_FDRs_Health.pdf

FDR literally gave his live to help free lead the free world to defeat Nazism and Japanese imperalism. (and I do not mean that to reduce the efforts of the British Empire, the Free Speech, the Soviets and others). But without FDR's leadership, we would be living (if we would be living at all) in a much darker world. As the saying goes, he was the right person, in the right place at the right time.

I pray that President Biden can finish a second term. But I do not doubt that the problems he has faced has taken some years off his life.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@deadgerbil @Burnley123
it's funny but also sad. They had four years to cultivate another younger candidate but didn't. Now we have to settle for a geriatric to beat an orange menace

You might have saw me say this before: the Democrats have a weak bench.

When you have a smaller pool of talent, you're simply not going to have as many capable candidates.

And I put that blame
(yes, I am invoking Misty's Law @MistyCee...

https://similarworlds.com/politics/2514801-Ever-Notice-How-Often-Mistys-Law-Is-Violated-on-SW

...mostly on President Obama.

In 83 of the 99 state legislative chambers, the Republican Party held more seats following the 2016 general election than it did after the general election in 2008.

During President Barack Obama's (D) presidency, Democrats lost a net 948 state legislative seats, the largest loss of Democratic seats during any presidency since at least 1921. Twenty-nine state legislative chambers in 19 states flipped from Democratic to Republican control compared to the start of Obama's presidency. In ten states these flips resulted in the creation of Republican trifectas, where Republicans controlled both chambers as well as the governorship. Democrats did not gain total control of any chambers by the end of Obama's presidency that they did not already control at its start, however, the Alaska House of Representatives flipped from Republican control to a bipartisan coalition following the 2016 elections.

The loss of 948 Democrat-held state legislative seats was the largest loss of the president's party's state legislative seats since the Herbert Hoover (R) administration, which saw a loss of a net 1,662 Republican state legislative seats from 1929 to 1933. Obama's and Hoover's administrations saw the largest loss of Democratic and Republican state legislative seats, respectively.

https://ballotpedia.org/Changes_in_state_legislative_seats_during_the_Obama_presidency

ObamaCare was the biggest culprit.

Instead of addressing the economic difficulty that the worst off face, and despite having a large majority in the Senate and a majority in the House, he went for health care instead of raising the minimum wage and tying it to something (inflation, Congressional or judicial salaries, etc.). And to solve health care: force people to buy it instead of an employer mandate. Mandatory health insurance put on the backs of the individual, something REPUBLICANS advocated during the debates over HillaryCare in 1993.

He wouldn't even consider a Canadian-style health care system - something than even DONALD TRUMP advocated for in one of his early books. Bernie Sanders was given a symbolic vote on his proposal for single-payer, that's all.

ObamaCare wasn't worth losing the mid-terms and the eventual helping bring about the election of Donald Trump. Not when other avenues were available (maximum caps on the cost of care, fully deductibles or tax credits, expansion of Medicare and/or powering the age limit for applicants to the program; the pre-existing exclusion provision could have been a bill passed by itself). Instead, the ACA it was a gargantuan bill that divided Democrats and gave Republicans ammunition.
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