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What They Said Then.....

Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito in January 2006:
“There is nothing that is more important for our republic than the rule of law. No person in this country, no matter how high or powerful, is above the law.”

No man is above the law,” Neil Gorsuch told Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) during his confirmation hearing in 2017. Gorsuch even doubled down, calling the court's landmark 1952 decision in Youngstown v. Sawyer, which reigned in presidential authority, a “brilliant opinion.”


Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh in September 2018:
“Under the Constitution, the president is not above the law. No one is above the law…The president remains subject to the law.”

Amy Coney Barrett concurred during her hearing, but like Kavanaugh, obfuscated on presidential pardons, according to The New York Times.
“That question may or may not arise, but that is one that calls for legal analysis of what the scope of the pardon power is,” Barrett told the Senate.

Chief Justice John Roberts at his confirmation hearing: “No one is above the law under our system and that includes the president. The president is fully bound by the law.” (Sept. 2005)
“Senator, I believe that no one is above the law under our system, and that includes the president,” he said in his 2005 confirmation hearing. “The president is fully bound by the law, the Constitution and statutes. Now, there often arise issues where there’s a conflict between the Legislature and the Executive over an exercise of Executive authority, asserted Executive authority. The framework for analyzing that is in the Youngstown Sheet and Tube case, the famous case coming out of President Truman’s seizure of the steel mills.”
Alito also praised the Youngstown ruling, adding that during Watergate it was “the responsibility of the judiciary to hold fast,” in forcing President Nixon to abide by subpoenas.

Chief Justice John Roberts concurred, citing Youngstown as binding the president to the law.

Presidential pardons, Youngstown and presidential immunity were not discussed in Clarence Thomas’ confirmation hearing.


Precedent or President? In their immunity ruling on July 1, precedent does not matter anymore.
So my question is: Does this immunity ruling...or lack of immunity ruling, apply to the current sitting President Joe Biden or is it reserved for Trump?
Carla · 61-69, F
From my understanding ( by no means do i profess to understanding) official acts, a potus stands immune. The question becomes what constitutes an official act.
That question would inevitably come back to scotus. To do with as they please.
By the time an immunity question arose for biden, the election would be over.
Again, down to the lower, back to the higher to do with as they please.


I vaguely remember during one of the impeachments of trump...something about a potus cannot be convicted in impeachment if what he did, he did because he "believed" it best for the country.

These justices out right lied about this matter and roe. So...lying to the senate is like a crime, right?
Something a justice would have been impeached for twelve years ago. Or if that lying justice was appointed by liberal potus.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Simply put, they lied. The Court has lost all credibility with this and other decisions. They do not represent the American people and their beliefs, but some ultra-conservative, anti-democratic minority.
Ynotisay · M
Thanks for that. You could get similar quotes about abortion.

There's always been some things that most Americans could rely on as far as being above reproach. The SC was one of them. No more. At least with these extremist judges. That's out the window. They're in place to fundamentally change the way this country operates.

And there's no solution because "we" never thought it would be a problem.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Ynotisay Informed voters know the importance of down ballot races and state, and local elections.
Sadly there are a large number of uninformed folks as well as apathetic ones who do not ever vote.
Ynotisay · M
@JSul3 You nailed it with 'apathetic.' Our voting percentage is horrific. And I will NEVER understand how people can't take the five minutes to mail in a ballot. It's disgusting to me.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Ynotisay Like the poem says:
"Then they came for me....."

They will then realize that their inaction led to their demise.
JSul3 · 70-79
Nixon: When the President does it, it's not illegal."

These 6 SC justices just agreed with him.
redredred · M
Presidents are subject to the law. The law says they are to be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and, if found guilty, turned out of office.

They are not to be hounded by non-prosecutors like Jack Smith or biased two-bit judges like Merchan.

Remember, lawfare works both ways
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@redredred Impeachment doesn't necessarily include criminal behavior under the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors.

If Trump didn't want to be prosecuted, he should not have committed crimes.
redredred · M
He didn’t. He got screwed by Soros-backed lawfare. The judge even told the jurors they didn’t have to find Trump guilty of a specific crime. That’s not the law.@windinhishair
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