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Wake up Americans

I am afraid for the future of the USA. People are arguing and even physically fighting with each other about the 2 idiots that the 2 evil political parties have running for president. Open your eyes, my fellow country members. People from other nations have no problem seeing that neither of the candidates is qualified for the office of President, It has never been so clear. Wake Up! Wake up Americans before it is too late! Check out the 3rd party candidates, I will not say I know much about all the others running but I know most if not all would be better for the United States than what the Democrats or Republicans are offering us. The Libertarians, in my opinion, are the only option. It is so hard for me to believe that people are that blind and can't see something that is so obvious. Neither Trump nor Biden are fit to lead a small town.
BetterbOptions:
Libertarian Party ---------- Chase Oliver (my choice)
Independent ----------- Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Green Party ---------- Jill Stein
Constitution Party --------- Randall Terry
Independent --------- Cornel West
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SW-User
Nothing wrong with America, it is a lovely nation.
nautybynature · 51-55, M
@SW-User I agree I love my country and will not leave no matter who is elected.
SW-User
@nautybynature From the prospective of the UK, your problems seem minor.

In the last ten years in the UK, life expectancy for men as actually gone down.
We are in declined, which may be terminal. Foolishly we left the EU, our biggest trading partner. Our slender hope is that the new PM will be able to restore some confidence.
The present government is out of touch with the people, feels it has a right to govern, and is only interested in selfish greed. Hopefully it will be gone by Friday, never to return again.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SW-User The EU as a whole might have been our "biggest" trading partner - though I do not know the proper statistics on that so cannot say if it is right or wrong - but we have not stopped trading with European countries.

However, the EU's protectionist bloc policies have made trading more difficult and expensive, by larding it with extra bureaucracy.

One of the biggest "trades" is probably tourism, and that has not stopped!

It's important to recognise most of our trading has always been with the rest of the world anyway, but we have also lost a lot of our own industries to a mixture of competition and acquisition - the latter especially by the USA and now China.

The UK is also a member of, or signatory to, a vast number of international organisations and agreements, of which the EU was only one.

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Your last sentence is a hope for shrinking politically to a permanently single-party nation. That party of course being the one you support.........
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@ArishMell No, there are several views I support. The Greens advocate the renationalisation of water. They are concerned for the underclass. The Liberals have always considers our future lies in Europe. Sinn Fein supports a United Ireland, but is also heavily into social issues.
There are still a few One Nation Conservatives about too.
Our future may rest in loose coalitions.
The British people hold a variety of views.

There are views I do not share. The reintroducing National Service, the views of the Ulster unionists, and the Welsh Nationalists, or Tory selfish greed. The neglect of education and the NHS
Scotland must make its own decisions. But I don’t fancy a border between Scotland and England.
@nautybynature I’m sort of trapped here for now until I am able to retire, but I don’t really want to be a citizen of a country that would be dumb enough to elect a man like Trump for a second time. I grew up loving my country, believing in everything it stood for, etc, but that country no longer exists…certainly the Republican Party of old no longer exists. It has been replaced by a cult of autocratic Christian nationalists, who worship a man that embodies everything they once claimed to be against, and who is threatening to systematically destroy the fabric of our society, and in doing so, do more damage to America than any of its enemies around the world could ever hope to do. At this point, at least change the name of the country…call it Trumptopia or something , but don’t you dare call it America, and don’t you dare say that I am one of you.
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@SW-User Actually I’m in Spain for the election. And my postal vote did not come in time. Though I understand, like everything else, it was not Rishi’s fault.

I’ll just leave it to you boys to sort this mess out.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SW-User Actually I broadly agree on many of those.

My water bill props up some quarrying and cement-making company in Indonesia, so like all the services sold abroad, the profits go abroad. When I travelled by train from Southern England to the North, I discovered the Bristol - Leeds stretch helps funds the German State-owned railways.

May as well fill a ship with containers of £10 notes and send it around the world to give them away.

Whether re-nationalising would help improve services is harder to say. It depends a lot on the scale of interference and profits-taking by successive governments who cannot resist "reviews" and tinkering to appear to be Doing Something Useful. Sadly a growing number of politicians of all parties appear to have little or no understanding of How Things Are Done.

Hearing some of the Greens make me sure they not only fail to understand How Things Are Done but also are indeed "green" about How Things Work; in technical, not administrative, ways.

I've not read the Reform manifesto but I am aware it attracts some very unpleasant followers, and I dislike some its ideas. I used to be a UKIP member but left when it started to design a manifesto I opposed almost completely. Its General Secretary, Gerard Batten, appointing Stephen Yaxley-lennon as a so-called "special advisor" did not help me stay - ironically, under UKIP's constitution, SY-L would be barred from membership. (Many parrot that UKIP was hard-Right wing. It was not. Like the EU "parliament", which it revealed as largely meaningless, UKIP was vaguely centrist. It attracting former Labour as well as Tory supporters, and of all races; and it barred extremists and racists of either wing. However, I do not know if Reform has the same membership policy. )


This widespread ignorance is especially so for "career politicians" who gain a degree in nothing too useful, work as some Party HQ administrator for some years then stand as election candidates - having never had any real work in their lives. I am sure they work hard as "Communications Directors" and similar fluff posts, but they have little or no experience in any of the trades, industries and services they help affect as MPs.)


It's common to see British Railways used as a warning against State ownership but it is very unfair. BR's last years was making a trading-profit and modernising the system. The faults were those of Governmental investment-starving, profits-plundering and anti-railways policies - most notably the corrupt Ernest Marples (helped by Mrs. Marples), who let Dr. Beeching carry the can for his (Marples') slash-and-burn policy.


I was "State-owned" for a decade (as a low-level industrial civil-servant) until sold off - and that by Labour, not the Conservatives. Though the Tories started selling or closing everything irrespective of purpose or value, the successive Labour government (Messrs. Blair and Brown) continued that at least as enthusiastically!

I think the parties now overlap so much it is hard to tell one from the other, but it would make life easier if their spokespeople actually tell us honestly what they propose, instead of wasting everyone's time by mainly rubbishing their opponents.
nautybynature · 51-55, M
@RockerDad You make me sad! Leaving your country because of the one elected shows me that people are losing the love of their homeland its beautiful landscapes, its history good and bad, and its people. Are we all so poisoned to be that unattached to your country? There was a long tradition in this country that people would get out, risking life and limb to fight for what they believed, for liberty, for freedoms that we believed as Americans were our birthright. Also, people cared about the circle of their klan their family, or their town to rise in any way necessary to fight for justice. Americans have ghosts that haunt us from our past. But we have to look at how far we have come. We need to own our wrongs while we celebrate the progress we have made. People who love their country respect it and will be in the fight against anything or anyone that is threatening our future.
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@ArishMell Locally, Southern Water cut off Hastings water supply for five days. affected sixty thousand people. A broken main ,yes. But they knew it needed replacing seven years ago., got planning permission and did not act on it. They have allowed the sea to become contaminated with sewage from Bexhill to near Eastbourne. And have allowed the shopping centre in Hastings to be flooded on several occasions. Many shops lie derelict.

As for Reform! Oh dear!!! no easy solution on immigration. Africans and Muslims from Asia come over with promises which are not legitimate. Poor guys. I did not consider Reform as an option.
@nautybynature I don’t come to this conclusion lightly. My ancestors gave up everything to come here from Eastern Europe in the early 1900’s. At least one of them didn’t survive the trip. They worked their asses off, some served in the military, so I could have a better life than they did. They believed in the ideas the country was founded on, as did I growing up. I refuse to sit by and watch an evil man destroy all those ideals, one by one, while my so-called fellow citizens cheer him on. If MAGA republicans are going to be piloting the ship, I don’t want to be on board. I refuse to support or respect Trump and his enablers as they try their hardest to destroy the country, and re-make it in Trump’s own image. I respect the sacrifices of our military (the ones Trump calls ‘suckers’), but if you expect me to feel the slightest bit of patriotism or love for the corpse of what my country has become, forget it.
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@RockerDad Don’t view Europe through rose tinted spectacles. Putin is not far away. He has ambitions in the Baltic.

Trump has some understanding of the UK. Biden has no understanding of the complexities of Northern Ireland. Thankfully Bill Clinton did.
@SW-User I would point out that Trump is roundly hated in the UK, nearly as much as here. Trump foolishly thinks that he has control of Putin,, instead of the other way around.
nautybynature · 51-55, M
@RockerDad I don't have the right to expect you to love America no matter what. I have not walked your path in life so I can't be expected to understand why you feel the way that you feel. I hope though that you have hope for America to stay/get free, stay strong, and prosper.
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@RockerDad I’m obviously out of my depth here. In England we consider Biden to have the early stages of Alzheimers. Somewhat forgetful at least.
@SW-User well, your choices are that, or pure concentrated evil, that is three years younger, and wears adult diapers. Read one of Trump’s recent unscripted speeches verbatim (like the one about the shark and the underwater battery, for example), or about windmills causing cancer, or him wanting to use tactical nukes on hurricanes….tell me about the “stable genius” then.
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@RockerDad ah, ah we have not had those stories projected to us across the pond!

All I can suggest is America chooses wisely who the potential vice presidents are. Because they are likely to take over , and steady the ship, whether Republican or Democrat.