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Can the political right truly be anti-establishment?

For me whether someone is establishment or not is about money as well as the office.

In the US election, the Republican mainstream got a kicking in the primary; not just from Trump; remember because the second and third placed contenders where both Tea Party candidates. Though for all the talk of being against the mainstream, bear in mind that all three had extensive corporate sponsorship. Trump is (arguably) and exception but he doesn't need money from lobbyists only because he is a lobbyist. He has also 'drained the swamp' by appointing a cabinet of other billionaire lobbyists.

In who's interests does these people serve if not class interest? When these people talk about 'better deals' do they really want to redistribute wealth, raise corporate taxes or regulate Wall Street; the things which would actually benefit non-establishment people? It is the same in Britain with UKIP, where Trump's buddy Nigel Farage condemns the 'liberal establishment' when he is a privately educated ex-stockbroker who is on record as saying our NHS should be privatised.

Yes there is a liberal establishment and yes it is also culpable. Hillary did receive massive amounts of Wall Street money but not because she is 'left-wing' as I understand it but because of the opposite reason; she is pro-corporate and business friendly. Likewise with the British Liberal elite; including Prime Minister's Blair, Brown and Cameron. The culture war will not feed your children and the most fundamental political questions are about economic and class interests.

In this sense, Bernie Sanders was the only truly anti-establishment politicians in the US election. He refused all corporate money and crowd funded his campaign with the aim of achieving a different settlement for the 99%. This is also true of Britain's Jeremy Corbyn. If someone claims to be anti-establishment, the first thing you should ask them to do is follow the money to find out whose interests they serve. Money is at least as consequential as formal political power when it comes to how decisions are actually made and the two are intertwined anyway.
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Cierzo · M
I don't think you cannot be anti-establishment supporting mass immigration (I have not yet any big corporation criticising it) and identity politics that are only useful to divide the population and make people fight among them, not the elites.

Not being funded by lobbies or big corporations is a need to be anti-establishmebt, but it takes more than that.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
[quote]Not being funded by lobbies or big corporations is a need to be anti-establishment[/quote]

I would agree and say that it is absolutely fundamental.

I do agree that you can be anti-establishment by criticising immigration but I would also say that this is by nature identity politics and dividing people.
Cierzo · M
@Burnley123: Dividing people between nationals and immigrants? If cultural differences are not big, I would say pointing the differences are identity politics are forced, they are made up by the government (gender politics, for instance)

But if cultural differences between the people are already very big (Western civilisation vs, Islam), government do not need to implement them, they just let the cultural different elements enter the country. It is a double game.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Cierzo: There are cultural differences but it is playing on those for political gain that I don't like. You can have a society that is culturally diverse and successful.

In the UK it is the most multicultural areas that have the most pro immigration views (inc. among white British people). It is place where there is little immigration where it is seen as a problem.
Cierzo · M
@Burnley123:I think a diverse society can work only if there is not a prevailing source of immigrants (otherwise you will have ghettos for sure) and those who come put the culture of the hosting country above their own when there are clashes.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Cierzo: London works pretty well. There are communities and pockets etc. I just think its inevitable that people will group together and I don't see it as a problem. Brits in Spain are worse than most whereas at least Muslims and East Europeans here learn the language. I think we can agree to disagree.
Cierzo · M
@Burnley123: It is a pleasure to disagree with you, discussions are always very civil.
I don't like Brits who have been living here for years and who are not able to speak a single word in Spanish. We agree on that 🙂