Yes It Can Happen Here. And We Have A Choice
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Is it an effective strategy to compare Trump to Hitler?
Don't get me wrong, there are some alarming historical parallels. I don't think it's even much of an exaggeration to call Trump and the MAGA cult fascist. He and they are definitely potential or proto-fascists.
Judging by the polls, most Americans seem either not to think that or just don't care. For them, the black-and-white pictures of 30s Germany are abstract and alien. Maybe jackboots and swastikas are too stylistically different to be relatable, making the comparison seem partisan and hyperbolic.
Yes, I know the Lincoln Project are themselves Conservatives but they represent what is now a tiny and ostracised faction within American Conservatism. The Republican Party is now something else and the Lincoln Project probably get most of their donations from liberals.
I don't know what the answer is. I also think that American swing voters should see the historical parallels and should see January 6th as a warning about the future erosion of Democracy but from here, it maybe seems that they don't/
Yet I am an ocean away so what do I know? Do you American liberals think that enough people are buying this kind of warning?
Don't get me wrong, there are some alarming historical parallels. I don't think it's even much of an exaggeration to call Trump and the MAGA cult fascist. He and they are definitely potential or proto-fascists.
Judging by the polls, most Americans seem either not to think that or just don't care. For them, the black-and-white pictures of 30s Germany are abstract and alien. Maybe jackboots and swastikas are too stylistically different to be relatable, making the comparison seem partisan and hyperbolic.
Yes, I know the Lincoln Project are themselves Conservatives but they represent what is now a tiny and ostracised faction within American Conservatism. The Republican Party is now something else and the Lincoln Project probably get most of their donations from liberals.
I don't know what the answer is. I also think that American swing voters should see the historical parallels and should see January 6th as a warning about the future erosion of Democracy but from here, it maybe seems that they don't/
Yet I am an ocean away so what do I know? Do you American liberals think that enough people are buying this kind of warning?
BohemianBabe · M
@Burnley123
Yes, but you have to be very specific and accurate, so people don't dismiss you as just doing Godwin's Law.
Something I've pointed out is that Project 2025 is all about firing every non-political person in the government and replacing them with people based on their loyalty to Trump. This is very similar to how Heinrich Himmler's SS didn't swear loyalty to Germany, like earlier paramilitary groups, rather they swore loyalty to Adolf Hitler directly. In both cases, you have the country being remade where patriotism and civic responsibility is not about the country, instead it's about one individual. This is a clear example of Authoritarianism.
Is it an effective strategy to compare Trump to Hitler?
Yes, but you have to be very specific and accurate, so people don't dismiss you as just doing Godwin's Law.
Something I've pointed out is that Project 2025 is all about firing every non-political person in the government and replacing them with people based on their loyalty to Trump. This is very similar to how Heinrich Himmler's SS didn't swear loyalty to Germany, like earlier paramilitary groups, rather they swore loyalty to Adolf Hitler directly. In both cases, you have the country being remade where patriotism and civic responsibility is not about the country, instead it's about one individual. This is a clear example of Authoritarianism.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe I think (talking specifics) it's better to compare Trump to Viktor Orban. Whether a small European country is relatable to average Americans, I do not know.
BohemianBabe · M
@Burnley123 Maybe. If you want to get technical, Trump is way more similar to Hermann Göring than Hitler, anyway. He's an opportunist with no strong beliefs outside of power.
Unfortunately, most Americans don't know what's going on in Hungary, if they even know that country exists. And while Putin is more well known, Russia never had Democracy and then lost it. So I dunno, I think if we want people to wake up and realize we can go from a Republic to a Dictatorship, the Nazis are the best example. Though I do use examples from the Soviet Union too.
Unfortunately, most Americans don't know what's going on in Hungary, if they even know that country exists. And while Putin is more well known, Russia never had Democracy and then lost it. So I dunno, I think if we want people to wake up and realize we can go from a Republic to a Dictatorship, the Nazis are the best example. Though I do use examples from the Soviet Union too.