Yes It Can Happen Here. And We Have A Choice
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Ynotisay · M
It's an apt analogy with a couple of differences. Today we have the internet which I think has played an enormous role in the creation and perpetuation of the cult. This wouldn't have happened pre-internet. But Hitler, while being a drug addict and clearly a sociopath, was in his 40's and 50's. Trump is in his late 70's and, while also having some clear mental disorders along with a purported drug addiction, is losing his cognitive abilities. He's not well. He also doesn't have the intelligence, stamina or runway to "take over" a country. But their methodologies are amazing similar. It's the same playbook that's been used throughout history. You'd like to think people could at least recognize that but many don't. Speaks to how easily manipulation can take hold.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Ynotisay It also speaks to how people are inept when it comes to knowing and understanding history. I agree the internet has made a huge difference in enabling people to be manipulated into believing lies. There is no other way to explain the prevailing belief by Trump Cultists that the 2020 election was stolen, when none of the facts support it.
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Ynotisay · M
@windinhishair Yep. But it's still the same strategy as the Nazi's. Dismiss anything coming from the outside as lies, create enemies that only person can take care of on behalf of the "real" citizens and sell fear if the leader isn't given power. It's the same song and dance and "we" fell for it again.
BohemianBabe · M
@Ynotisay
While this is a fair point, it should also be easier to tell when someone is lying. Back when the Nazis were using conspiracy theories to get people to side with them, it wasn't easy to debunk their lies. You'd have to spend some serious time at a library, which were eventually taken under control by the Nazis. Same happened in Italy, Spain, Austria, and Portugal when the Fascists took over.
Today, it's extremely easy to debunk lies. When Trump says crime is out of control under Biden, we can easily look up the stats and see that crime has actually gone down under Biden. I don't know how genuine the people who supported the Nazis were back then, but today it's clear that the Trump Cult is choosing to reject truth.
It's an apt analogy with a couple of differences. Today we have the internet which I think has played an enormous role in the creation and perpetuation of the cult. This wouldn't have happened pre-internet.
While this is a fair point, it should also be easier to tell when someone is lying. Back when the Nazis were using conspiracy theories to get people to side with them, it wasn't easy to debunk their lies. You'd have to spend some serious time at a library, which were eventually taken under control by the Nazis. Same happened in Italy, Spain, Austria, and Portugal when the Fascists took over.
Today, it's extremely easy to debunk lies. When Trump says crime is out of control under Biden, we can easily look up the stats and see that crime has actually gone down under Biden. I don't know how genuine the people who supported the Nazis were back then, but today it's clear that the Trump Cult is choosing to reject truth.
Ynotisay · M
@BohemianBabe Exactly. It's a rejection of truth. Just like what was done then but the rejection was based on not having access to the truth. It's why despots most always control the media. And that's what most infuriating. The truth is accessible but you have to want to find it. Outside of so many wanting their beliefs to be fed, algorithms keep people in a bubble. And in my opinion that's something that needs to be dealt with like yesterday.
I'm not a Twitter person but I went there once, commented on some freak MAGA's post and then the next thing I knew my feed was almost entirely posts from right wingers. It blew my mind. At a place like "X," it's not about helping someone navigate towards things they might have interest in. It's about controlling access, to a lazy population, to serve an agenda. When all you're fed is anger, hate, fear and enemies, people who are more susceptible to that kind of thing personalize it all. And then they're let loose in to society. Which includes having the ability to vote.
I'm not a Twitter person but I went there once, commented on some freak MAGA's post and then the next thing I knew my feed was almost entirely posts from right wingers. It blew my mind. At a place like "X," it's not about helping someone navigate towards things they might have interest in. It's about controlling access, to a lazy population, to serve an agenda. When all you're fed is anger, hate, fear and enemies, people who are more susceptible to that kind of thing personalize it all. And then they're let loose in to society. Which includes having the ability to vote.
BohemianBabe · M
@Ynotisay I think in both cases, the Authoritarians in power rejected truth. But if you don't have access to truth, then I wouldn't call it a rejection. The people who sincerely believed that Marxists were promoting homosexuality in order to destroy society, they weren't rejecting truth, they were just duped by propaganda.
Even today, I'm sure there are people who are so deeply lost in the sauce that they believe Trump's lies. But that seems more and more to be the exception. The average Trumpcuck can see evidence that debunks Trump's lies, but just chooses to ignore it. They start deflecting like crazy because they know they're wrong.
Even today, I'm sure there are people who are so deeply lost in the sauce that they believe Trump's lies. But that seems more and more to be the exception. The average Trumpcuck can see evidence that debunks Trump's lies, but just chooses to ignore it. They start deflecting like crazy because they know they're wrong.