Two MINORITIES in America.

@BohemianBabe Maga is a subset of the alt-right, nothing else. It's just a big part of it, arguably second only to "Russia United".

@Elessar That's fair, but I think most Trumpians would claim that "Leftists are the REAL racists!"
Trumpism is about discrimination against the enemy, but who the enemy is doesn't really matter. Sometimes it's trans people, sometimes it's Jews, sometimes it's Muslims, sometimes it's immigrants, it just has to be someone. Whereas the Alt-Right is a legit consistent ideology. They're the ones who would be like, Leftists aren't the real racists, we are.

@BohemianBabe Trumpism is essentially a one man cult whose leader, as you say, decided to embed it in the alt-right. The closest thing I can think of and that I often reference is Berlusconi and his fanbase: if the guy suddenly had a change of mind, all the drones that have been whining about "communism" for 20 years in a row would've immediately praised it, and assert that they were never against it.

Unfortunately, I can assure you that when such movements steer right, for very practical reasons (i.e. right-wing policies favor the leaders of such cults more than left-wing policies ever could), they'll never move away from there. So yes, even if technically they're Trumpists before they're far-righters and even if theoretically they would switch positions if Trump did, Trump will only move in one direction. So ultimately, practically speaking, it's an alt-right movement because it couldn't be anything else.

@BohemianBabe Also, I'll argue that Trump's ideas aren't less consistent that the broad alt-right's, it's just that we're comparing a practical implementation to an abstract thing.

Right-wing policies/promises (also historically) have this feature that they tend to sound great and make for sensationalist/attractive campaigns, to then fail and backfire spectacularly once implemented. What you're seeing isn't lack of consistency, it is the (self-preserving, necessary) process of self-correction that happens when they try to do shìt and they figure out it doesn't work how they imagined, and that you won't appreciate so long as things remain abstract.

Think for instance of when they embraced antivaxx positions for like one year, to then figure out that their electorate was dying off at an alarming rate, and Trump got booed and called "traitor" because he started suggesting his supporters to take the jab. It's not that Trump had a change of mine about vaccines, it's that he realized (late) that embracing antivaxx cràp was hurting his campaign and tried to correct.

@Elessar

Right? They're the same!!! 🤣

@calicuz It's probably the same folks who are convinced Mussolini was a left-winger so good luck to any of us trying to put some sense in their posts

@Elessar Trump has no consistent ideology, the Alt-Right does. That doesn't mean the Alt-Right always acts consistently, but they do have real policy goals. Whereas Trump's only goals are power and attention. The Alt-Right is legit anti-choice, whereas Trump is just taking away abortion rights because he's a Republican now.

I agree that Conservatism and right-wing policies are consistent. But Trumpism isn't an ideology like Conservatism. Trumpism is a strategy that right-wing politicians and pundits use to pass right-wing policies. Trumpism gets people on board by promising that someone else will be oppressed, then the actual people in power pass conservative policies, which help the rich but hurt the workers.

A good way to look at it is that Republicans want cheap labor, so they make it hard for immigrants to come here legally, that way they can hire illegals. But Trumpism is the act of using racism in order to get people to be against making it easier to come here legally. And of course, there are other elements that make Trumpism different, like the use of social media, triggering the Libs, having a "strongman," and so on.

@BohemianBabe But that's because Trump is an actual/flesh-made politician that has to implement those ideas. The "alt-right" is an abstract ideology that simply define/collect them, without having to care about practical aspects.

It's not that one is consistent and one is not, one has to deal with reality (as detached from it as he is), the other doesn't.

@BohemianBabe @Elessar

You both make good points and I like the way you are both saying it. 👊

@MarmeeMarch Is that why you support present Russian fascism?

@MarmeeMarch What exactly are you accusing me of, being born in the same country as Mussolini after he was publicly hanged upsside down like a ham by my fellow countrymen, and with him most of his supporters? (Those that didn't flee to Argentina at least)

While, at the same time, you actively support his very own form of government and policies in modern Russia?

@MarmeeMarch I don't see what the past of a country that literally no longer exists has to do with the present situations being discussed, simply put. It's you who brought it up. Mussolinian fascism happened in the Italian Kingdom, I was born and live in the Italian Republic (founded: June 18, 1946 - Mussolini was publicly hanged more than one year before).

Yeah, indeed we moved on, hence it's irrelevant; it's not me here the one defending those who instead still support those policies. In Russia and in America. See pic #1 and #3 that your buddy posted above.