The western religious bollocks on the Israeli / Palestinian conflict is crazy đ đ
Not only religious narratives (which is what many evangelical mainly American Christian lun@tics use on SW) have no right to strip people from their most basic human rights which are their UN recognized right of self determination and right of return which you stand against but even the things they say is totally incorrect. Especially the mother of lies when they say âPalestinians are Arabs who came from modern day Saudi Arabia 1400 years ago â đ€Łđ What kind of dr*gs do they take ? Should I blame their education system?
Letâs break it down :
Islamic empires expanded Just like Christian empires expanded In fact these are the biggest empires by land mass historically : 1/ British empire (Christian) 2/ mongol empire ( Tengrism and Buddhism ) 3/russian empire (Christian ) 4/ Qing dynasty (Confucianism) 5/ Spanish empire (Christian )
Isnât it funny that no Islamic empire is among the top 5 biggest empires by land mass? But Itâs crucial to know that the world was under empire and dynasty regimes at that time The world being divided into countries is a relatively new concept In fact a lot of modern day countries in Africa are young with no national history âas a country â with âx bordersâ these are New boarders created by their European colonial powers before they left.
Who says that countries is the correct way to rule or divide different people ? 1000 years from now there might be another concept that people would consider more âmoral â or more ânormalâ and theyâd look back at the concept of countries today as less moral Iâm not justifying empires Iâm just saying that that was the norm back then It wasnât faith that necessarily created empires especially people who say âitâs abrahamic religions fault â when Literally the Roman Empire was pagan most of its history and it was already expanding and conqu*ring . However, regardless of what the regime is be it Empires or countries or dynasties , ethnically cle@nsing a local population and putting other peoples in their place or apartheid is not the same as their land being part of a bigger empire and that isnât the definition of empire. When it comes to the Middle East , The Arab Muslim empire that started in modern day west of Saudi Arabia (the rashidun caliphate ) expanded like any other empire around it It didnât ethnically cleÇnse these populations and told Arabs from Mecca /medina to go and live in their place đ literally never happened. I think this is what people tell themselves in their dreams .
They as a matter of fact converted to Islam in a slow conversion process and Arabic gained fevor in that particular spot much later sparkled by many different reasons . However, Iran held onto the Persian language meanwhile others didnât mostly because they were already under previous colonial powers A lot of people say Egyptians spoke Coptic before Islam but fail to mention Coptic is a hyperdized language between ancient Egyptian and greek (their colonizers ) The ancient Egyptian languages were already dying and going instinct way before Arabs came to them. The Egyptians today are mainly the decedents of ancient Egyptians per genetics studies and they know themselves claim and know that . Also There are still people in Middle East who speak Aramaic and Coptic and all of these other languages.
While The world religious demographic today is heavily shaped due to past empires , Historically speaking, the Islamic empires in general did not enforce Islam on the local people it was mostly a process of conversions due to political influence Same thing under Christian empires With of course incidents of pĂȘrsecution and oppressiĂžn in both.
All the people today in majority Muslim countries are mostly native peoples who converted to Islam Like from Judaism to Christianity to Islam or from Christianity to Islam Or paganism to Islam and so on Be it by choice or force they are still the natives
Outside of the Middle East , The afghanis are the native people of afghan who converted to Islam Theyâr not Arabs and they speak their own languages The people of the Maldives are natives who converted to Islam and speak their own languages Indonesians are locals who converted to Islam and have their own language An Albanian Muslim is European who converted to Islam and speaks his own language And so on A Muslim Pakistani is genetically and culturally closer to a Hindu Indian than he is to a Turkish Muslim or a Malaysian Muslim What you are saying here is Letâs go to Muslim lands and ethnically cle&nse their civilians and replace them with people from abroad because I donât like that Theyâr majority Muslim . Then I can say the same letâs go to y land and drive their locals away because I donât like the fact their religion is x. After all a British white Christian or native African shouldnât be Christian according to ur logic since Christianity comes form the Middle East? Doesnât make sense .
The last Muslim people who were controlling Palestine were the ottomans . The Ottoman Empire was started by Turks However they didnât make Turks go in masses to Palestine and replaced the local population . Never happened đ they ruled over the local population who endorsed different religions and went to their mosques churches and synagogues and lived next to each other. Palestinians are the local people of that land who converted from Judaism to Christianity to Islam and some remained Jew or Christian .
When the British empire colonized most of the Middle East after the fall of the ottoman Empire Those people were under the British empire responsibility Since the world was shifting from empire regime to countries The colonial powers were across the board cutting lands like a cake and giving them to x person to rule which was what the British doing.
Now under mandate Palestine (under British empire control ) everyone would have expected for Britain to pick someone among the local population and make him rule over the land and Leave Right ? It could have picked a Christian or a Jew for all I care like how Lebanonâs president has to be a Maronite Christian But thatâs not what the British did đ Why did the people of that land deserve a different fate ? Their own right to live in their own homes ? A European political settler colonial ideaology bribed a British lord (Balfour ) to let them carve a Jewish land out of Palestine (they didnât care where , they even suggested Argentina and parts of Africa ) and he agreed and he told them to go and make a home there đ These Jews arenât the same as the local Jews who were already living there Nor the Jews who sought legal refugee and lived among the locals These were settler colonists who came from abroad and wanted a land solely for them when it was already occupied with people . For the state of Israel to be created These European Jews (the brown Jews came after Israel was founded and Theyâr also foreign but these arenât who founded Israel ) ethnically cleĂ nsed over 750,000 local people and pushed them out from their homes farms jobs community memories etc a holocaust indeed And lived in their place And the ethnic cleĂĄnsing continues to this day with the illegal settlements in the remnants of majority Palestinian Territories and slow annexatioñ By the way this happened after the Geneva convention which states that ethnic cleaninÄ is illegal and they have yet to compensate and they refuse to let those displaced return they are only doing it more and more .
What if Israel reflected upon this protest ? Like the million other protests ? Would 7th of Oct happened ?
What if Israel stopped breaking a trillion international laws and making USA veto UN resolutions on a yearly basis ? What if Israel stopped giving Palestinians their own versions of 7th Oct every now and then Would their 7th of Oct happened ? Hmmm lol
And I donât know why people think it happened /happens only to Palestinian Muslims when it happens to all Palestinians including Christians đ and Muslims werenât the only ones who created Palestinian liberation fronts.
And again why do people keep mentioning Hamas as if Hamas is the center of this issue when Hamas is a group that was created out of poverty occupation displacement traumĂ and by Israel and this issues precedes Hamas . And the West Bank has no Hamas whatâs the excuse for the West Bank? Endless excuses to sustain a Naz* regime it seems .
Hamas co founder Ahmed Yasmin speaking :
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Israeli rabbi speaking :
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Oh and Remember when Nitinyahu used a genocidĂąl verse from the Bible about the amalek for Gaza ?đ or is that not religious terrorism?đđđ
peace ? Simple. Let the illegally displaced Palestinians return which is what the UN have been saying for years Then Give everyone on the land the right to vote And the Problem is solved . Zionism ceases to exist. But what we have is , Israel denies the right of return despite UN condemnation and setter colonialismm continues Keeps the âmajorityâ of the locals under illegal occĂșpation and apĂ rtheid regime with no right to vote although Theyâr not a country Theyâr literally under occupatioĆ meaning they should have a right to vote
Why? Because the moment it does itâs no longer a Jewish supremacy /majority state.
Donât misunderstand me I do not agree with some of Hamasâs actions but if Iâm going to use the terr*rist label Iâd have to label Israel and the IDF as terr*rist first that birthed this small baby as a retaliation . this is also the UNâs stance .
Einstein summed it up for us all :
Watch out for the evangelical warmoñgers in the comments Theyâr gonna come I know it đ
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@LeopoldBloom but Jewish people have self determination. Do Palestinians? Last I checked more land has been "settled" in the West Bank the last few months. Call me names if you let me, but I find it ridiculous that a family of Palestinians who've lived on their home for centuries can get evicted and their land taken by someone who a year ago converted to Judaism.
@basilfawlty89 Palestinians should have self-determination. But they can't have Israel. The question of the Jewish state's existence should be off the table, same as questioning the existence of Ghana or Paraguay or Bhutan or any other country.
Israel's settlement policy is a disaster not just because it evicts Palestinians from what could eventually be a Palestinian state, but also because it adds another complication to any future agreement. In addition to the new state's borders, who controls Jerusalem, security, and what happens to the Palestinian refugees in other countries, now we have to figure out what happens to the West Bank settlers, too.
Don't be so sure that Palestinians have been there for "centuries." Many Palestinians are descended from Arabs who migrated to the area from the surrounding countries around the same time European Jews began arriving in the late 19th century. That doesn't make them illegitimate, but it's incorrect to characterize this conflict as anything similar to the US Army vs. Geronimo. Both sides are composed of indigenous and immigrants, and both have a right to the same land.
