I want to understand how do Isra@l supporters convince themselves that isr@el is the victim ?😅🤔

@Human1000 I don't recall starting any conversation with you or tagging you anywhere for us be done in the first place.
But I understand that you are craving my attention badly
I’m naturally irresistible

@Moon3624 Well, thank you for the conversation and exchange of ideas in any event.

@Human1000 you are welcome
I never let my fans down

@badlands

“Christians can’t do any of this “

Hmm ask Mexicans who made them speak Spanish 😂😂 wasn’t it the Christian Spanish empire that colonized Mexico and made them start speak Spanish ?
Ask Africa who made most of them speak French , wasn’t it the French empire that was majority Christian?

Ask America Canada Australia and South Africa Namibia etc what did the Christian European men do to the native populations when they arrived uninvited
Did Australia speak English before the white man came and turned aboriginals to only 3% of the modern day Australia ? How came native Americans become a minority group? Is English the native language of America and Canada?

In fact I’d argue and say it’s the European men who are infamous for their setrler colonialism projects. Just like Israel is a colony that was founded by barbaric mass ethnic cleansing of the locals in the 1900s done by European men who happened to be Jewish too and it continues.

If you want a Christian regime to rule the land
Go ahead and conquer it
My argument is you cannot ethically cleanse the local native population of that land or any land under any regime.

Palestinians before Zionism they were already Muslim Christian Jew
And even the Muslim Palestinians they are the locals who converted to Islam.


Will you go to Indonesia and start expelling Indonesians from their towns and villages because They’r Muslim? Despite the fact They’r the locals who converted to Islam?


Islam is a religion people convert to I should go around and ethnic cleanse Christians around the world and tell them to go back to the Middle East because that is where Christianity originated. Does that make sense?


And yes Palestine was Arabized just like Egypt but the idea that they are Arabs who came from Mecca 1400 years isn’t true debunked by historians and genetic studies etc
plus they were already speaking languages like Greek that wasn’t theirs😂


Saying Hamas forces the
Christians to convert to Islam using a non credible article doesn’t work in ur favor Hamas didn’t bomb a single church but Israel bombed 3. And among the Palestinians Israel has ethnically cleaned many Christians who similarly Israel deny them the right of return since 1948. Also Hamas doesn’t rule the West Bank ,

Let us not forget Hamas did not exist and was created as a reaction to ethnic cleansing , persecution and illegal occupation.
Don’t complain about the product of your terrorism

@Moon3624 You have proven my point. I said: "Christians can't do any of this, but Arabs and Islam can?" and your response is to tell me about what Christians elsewhere have done. We are talking about the Middle East. How did Islam become the dominant religion in the Middle East? It conquered the Middle East. Do you think conquests are good? What do you think they entail? Why are Christians a minority now? Islam conquered using the sword. Do you think these Christians wanted to convert to Islam, or would they have been more content to be left alone? What makes the conquest of the Levant justified?

"My argument is you cannot ethically cleanse the local native population of that land or any land under any regime."

This is what Islam did. Why can't other religions do it? One rule for us and another for them?

"Saying Hamas forces the
Christians to convert to Islam using a non credible article doesn’t work in ur favor Hamas didn’t bomb a single church but Israel bombed 3."

And? I am not talking about Israel. Israel is a Jewish country, not a Christian country. Christians aren't particularly welcome there either. It isn't surprising that they bombed three Christian churches and killed Christians in Gaza. In Israel, you are harassed for being Christian in some areas. Jews follow the Talmud and these works tell vicious lies about Jesus. I recall reading about a Christian farm outside Bethlehem that was being encroached by settlements. The Israeli authorities destroyed one of the beautiful orchards. The family who owns it are impressive people, saying "nobody can force us to hate" and "we refuse to be enemies." It makes me sad to hear about more Christians being converted to Islam through force, and Christians having their heritage and land stolen by Israel.

It is true that this happened and still happens to Palestinian Muslims, and this is equally wrong and inhumane. I am just telling you that Islam conquered this land and many Christians native to the area had to convert to the religion. We have a recent example of Hamas converting Christians in Gaza. Do you think Hamas is any better than Israel? Why is the article not credible?

@badlands @Burnley123
“ We are talking about the Middle East. How did Islam become the dominant religion in the Middle East? It conquered the Middle East. “

It’s true that Islamic empires expanded
Just like Christian empires expanded
In fact these are the biggest empires by land mass historically :
1/ British empire (Christian)
2/ mongol empire ( Tengrism and Buddhism )
3/russian empire (Christian )
4/ Qing dynasty (Confucianism)
5/ Spanish empire (Christian )


Isn’t it funny that no Islamic empire is among the top 5 biggest empires by land mass?
But It’s crucial to know that the world was under empire and dynasty regimes
The world being divided into countries is a relatively new concept
In fact almost all of the countries in Africa are young with no history “as a nation “ with “x borders” these are
New boarders created by their European colonial powers before they left.

Who says that countries is the correct way to rule or divide different people ? 1000 years from now there might be another concept that people would consider more “moral “ or more “normal” and they’d look back at the concept of countries as less moral
I’m not justifying empires AT ALL

I’m just saying that that was the norm back then
It wasn’t faith that necessarily expanded empires at that time and especially people who say “it’s abrahamic religions fault “
Literally the Roman Empire was mostly pagan most of its history and it was already expanding and conquering
However regardless of what the regime is
Empires or countries or dynasties
Persecuting a local population and ethnically cleansing them and putting other peoples in their place is not the same as their land being part of your bigger diverse empire.
When it comes to the Middle East ,
The Arab Muslim empire that started in modern day Saudi Arabia (the rashidun caliphate ) expanded like any other empire around it
However it only annexed regions to it making it more diverse
It didn’t ethnically cleanse their populations and told Arabs from Mecca to go and live in their place 😂 literally never happened.

They just converted to Islam in a slow conversion process and Arabic gained fevor in that particular spot centuries later
However Iran held onto the Persian language meanwhile others didn’t because they were already using a language of their other colonizers like Greek for instance
A lot of people say Egyptians spoke Coptic before Islam but fail to mention Coptic is a hyperdized language between ancient Egyptian and greek
The ancient Egyptian languages were already dying and going instinct before Arabs came to them.
There are still people in Middle East who speak Aramaic and Coptic and all of these languages by the way.

While The world religious demographic today is heavily shaped due to past empires
Historically speaking the Islamic empires in general did not enforce Islam on the local people it was mostly a process of conversions due to influence
Same thing under Christian empires
With of course incidents of persecution and oppression in both.

All the people today in majority Muslim countries are native peoples who converted to Islam
Like from Judaism to Christianity to Islam or from Christianity to Islam
Or paganism to Islam and so on

Outside of the Middle East
The afghanis are a native people of afghan who converted to Islam
They’r not Arabs 😂 and they speak their own languages
The people of the Maldives are natives who converted to Islam and speak their own language
Indonesians are locals who converted to Islam and have their own language
An Albanian Muslim is European who converted to Islam and speaks his own language
And so on
A Muslim Pakistani is genetically closer to a Hindu Indian than he is to a Turkish Muslim or a Malaysian Muslim
What you are saying here is
Let’s go conquer Muslim lands and ethnically cleanse them in the Middle East because I don’t like that They’r majority Muslim .
Then I can say the same let’s go conquer y land and drive their locals away because I don’t like the fact their religion is x.
After all a British white Christian shouldn’t be Christian according to ur logic since Christianity comes form the Middle East?
Doesn’t make sense especially under the international laws we agreed to.

The last people who were controlling Palestine were the ottomans
The Ottoman Empire was started by Turks
However they didn’t make Turks go in masses to Palestine and ethnically cleanse the local population
Never happened 😂 they ruled over a local population who endorsed different religions and went to their mosques churches and synagogues and lived next to each other.


When the British empire colonized most of the Middle East after the fall of the ottoman Empire
Those people were under the British empire responsibility
Since the world was shifting from empire regime to countries
The colonial powers were cutting lands like a cake and giving them to x person to rule which was what the British doing.


Now under mandate Palestine (under British empire control )
everyone would have expected for Britain to pick someone among the local population and make him rule over this land and left

Right ? It could have picked a Christian for all I care like how Lebanon president has to be Maronite Christian
But that’s not what the British did 😅
Why did the people of that land deserve a different fate to everyone else in the region ? Their own right to live in their own homes ?
a European political settler colonial ideaology bribed a British lord (Balfour ) to let them carve a Jewish land out of Palestine and he agreed and he told them to go and make a home there and then left leaving it to them to sort it out 😂
These Jews aren’t the same as the Jews who were living already there
Nor the Jews who sought legal refugee and lived among the locals
These were settler colonists who came from abroad and took a land by forcing the local population outside of their home for supremacy .
For Israel to be created
These European Jews ethnically cleansed over 750,000 local people and pushed them out from their homes farms jobs community memories etc
And lived in their place
And the ethnic cleansing continues to this day even in no no Hamas controlled the West Bank and East Jerusalem
By the way this happened after the Geneva convention which states that ethnic cleaning is illegal and they have yet to compensate and they refuse to let those ethnically cleansed return the are only doing it more and more .



And I don’t know why you think it happened only to Palestinian Muslims when it happened to all Palestinians including Christians 😂
This is a settler colonial project

And again why do u keep mentioning Hamas as if Hamas is the center of this issue when Hamas is a group that was created out of poverty persecution occupation ethnic cleansing and oppression by Israel . And the West Bank has no Hamas what’s ur excuse for the West Bank?
And again why didn’t Hamas bomb the churches in Gaza if what ur saying is true
Ur telling me they had all the weapons to attack Israel
But couldn’t go and invade the churches of Gaza ?
The irony is non Muslims especially humanitarian workers always enter the strip and they come out just fine
It’s Israel who kills them.


Hamas co founder speaking :

[media=https://tiktok.com/6961462214570085634]


Israeli rabbi speaking :

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Remember when Nitinyahu used a genocidal verse from the Bible about the amalek for Gaza ?😅 or is that not religious terrorism?😂😂😂



You want peace ? Simple.
Let the illegally displaced Palestinians return
Give everyone on the land the right to vote
Problem solved.
Zionism ceases to exist.
But what we have is Israel denies the right of return despite UN condemnation
Keeps the locals under illegal occupation and apartheid regime with no right to vote although They’r not another state They’r literally under occupation meaning they should have a right to vote

Why? Because the moment it does it’s not longer a Jewish supremacy state