Should we have a secure border with mexico so people who cross are people we let in ?
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We should have a secure border that prevents illegal crossings.
Just let them in
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61-69, M
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sladejr[quote] There are no native Americans - everyone meandered here from someone else.[/quote]
There were no Americans until 1776, when the colonists declared independence from Great Britain and established the country of the United States of America. Only Whites were Americans.
Hispanics living in American territory became Americans by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848).
Blacks became Americans in 1869.
Indians (not Asian Indians) became Americans in 1924.
Chinese immigrants could become Americans in 1943.
There were no Americans until 1776, when the colonists declared independence from Great Britain and established the country of the United States of America. Only Whites were Americans.
Hispanics living in American territory became Americans by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848).
Blacks became Americans in 1869.
Indians (not Asian Indians) became Americans in 1924.
Chinese immigrants could become Americans in 1943.
sladejr · 56-60, M
@Diotrephes
[quote]Chinese immigrants could become Americans in 1943.[/quote]
I have a pull string China doll that sings 🎶 "I've been working on the railroad" 🎶
[quote]Chinese immigrants could become Americans in 1943.[/quote]
I have a pull string China doll that sings 🎶 "I've been working on the railroad" 🎶
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes You said: "There were no Americans until 1776, when the colonists declared independence from Great Britain and established the country of the United States of America. Only Whites were Americans."
Only whites were Americans, and they were Christians. Let's put this into our heads and don't ever forget it. Those white Christians laid the framework for a great country that drew people from all over the world. And all those folks were proud to be Americans and contributed to he nation.
Thanks to our damn politicians and smart ass intellectuals, things are different now.
Only whites were Americans, and they were Christians. Let's put this into our heads and don't ever forget it. Those white Christians laid the framework for a great country that drew people from all over the world. And all those folks were proud to be Americans and contributed to he nation.
Thanks to our damn politicians and smart ass intellectuals, things are different now.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251 Don't forget, the Nazis copied American racist policies.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes Stop using terms you don't understand.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251 [quote]Stop using terms you don't understand.[/quote]
What terms do you think I don't understand?
What terms do you think I don't understand?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes "Nazis". This is a slur used for demonizing people you don't like. Apparently, the origin of this slur comes from Nationalist Socialism, another western slur used for demonizing Germany.
Look, you are in your seventies. It's time you wise up.
Look, you are in your seventies. It's time you wise up.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251[quote] "Nazis". This is a slur used for demonizing people you don't like. Apparently, the origin of this slur comes from Nationalist Socialism, another western slur used for demonizing Germany.
Look, you are in your seventies. It's time you wise up.[/quote]
Maybe I've missed it but I don't recall you ever criticizing any of the countless posters who use the term "Nazis".
Look, you are in your seventies. It's time you wise up.[/quote]
Maybe I've missed it but I don't recall you ever criticizing any of the countless posters who use the term "Nazis".
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes You said: "Maybe I've missed it but I don't recall you ever criticizing any of the countless posters who use the term "Nazis"."
You're probably right, I ignored the "nazi" slur even when it is used against me, quite often.
Using slurs to demonize people is a method for programming soldiers to kill human beings (enemy). Once the slur is stuck in the mind, it removes all hesitation to shoot, even your own parents. This is why even a US President can proudly announce to the world that we have killed a targeted human being. Americans were not revulsed or horrified when we shot Osama bin Laden.
You're probably right, I ignored the "nazi" slur even when it is used against me, quite often.
Using slurs to demonize people is a method for programming soldiers to kill human beings (enemy). Once the slur is stuck in the mind, it removes all hesitation to shoot, even your own parents. This is why even a US President can proudly announce to the world that we have killed a targeted human being. Americans were not revulsed or horrified when we shot Osama bin Laden.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251 How you ever seen the propaganda posters America used against the Japanese and Germans during WWII?
https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/powers-of-persuasion
[image=https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/tokio-kid-say-much-waste-of-material-make-so-o-o-o-happy-thank-you-douglas-aircraft-company-douglas-aircraft-company-santa-monica-ca/kAHGU2SZttXOew]
[image=https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ywHkLPQzuaeP6g?childAssetId=pwFKD_RoaLojQw&ms=%7B"x"%3A0.5%2C"y"%3A0.5%2C"z"%3A8.60326510555384%2C"size"%3A%7B"width"%3A3.442744950350785%2C"height"%3A1.237533480194071%7D%7D]
https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/powers-of-persuasion
[image=https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/tokio-kid-say-much-waste-of-material-make-so-o-o-o-happy-thank-you-douglas-aircraft-company-douglas-aircraft-company-santa-monica-ca/kAHGU2SZttXOew]
[image=https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ywHkLPQzuaeP6g?childAssetId=pwFKD_RoaLojQw&ms=%7B"x"%3A0.5%2C"y"%3A0.5%2C"z"%3A8.60326510555384%2C"size"%3A%7B"width"%3A3.442744950350785%2C"height"%3A1.237533480194071%7D%7D]
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes I opened the first image. Couldn't open the other two.
Government propaganda is powerful stuff. I was a victim and completely swept away like the rest of the nation. Now that I have wised up, I am now branded as an enemy of America.
Government propaganda is powerful stuff. I was a victim and completely swept away like the rest of the nation. Now that I have wised up, I am now branded as an enemy of America.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251[quote] I opened the first image. Couldn't open the other two.[/quote]
All you have to do is highlight the links. [b]Do not include the brackets and image=.
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https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/tokio-kid-say-much-waste-of-material-make-so-o-o-o-happy-thank-you-douglas-aircraft-company-douglas-aircraft-company-santa-monica-ca/kAHGU2SZttXOew
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ywHkLPQzuaeP6g?childAssetId=pwFKD_RoaLojQw&ms=%7B"x"%3A0.5%2C"y"%3A0.5%2C"z"%3A8.60326510555384%2C"size"%3A%7B"width"%3A3.442744950350785%2C"height"%3A1.237533480194071%7D%7D
All you have to do is highlight the links. [b]Do not include the brackets and image=.
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https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/tokio-kid-say-much-waste-of-material-make-so-o-o-o-happy-thank-you-douglas-aircraft-company-douglas-aircraft-company-santa-monica-ca/kAHGU2SZttXOew
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ywHkLPQzuaeP6g?childAssetId=pwFKD_RoaLojQw&ms=%7B"x"%3A0.5%2C"y"%3A0.5%2C"z"%3A8.60326510555384%2C"size"%3A%7B"width"%3A3.442744950350785%2C"height"%3A1.237533480194071%7D%7D
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes Ok, got it. Propaganda these days are a lot more subtle. I don't know if you are left or right of the political divide, I would put myself in the "conservative camp" and therefore on the right. If you are on the left, can you help me see how my mind had been twisted to the right?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251 [quote]Ok, got it. Propaganda these days are a lot more subtle. I don't know if you are left or right of the political divide, I would put myself in the "conservative camp" and therefore on the right. If you are on the left, can you help me see how my mind had been twisted to the right?[/quote]
Based on observation and IMO, conservatives are against progress. IOW, they are stuck in the Jim Crow era.
What are you so conservative about?
Based on observation and IMO, conservatives are against progress. IOW, they are stuck in the Jim Crow era.
What are you so conservative about?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes Ou said: "What are you so conservative about?"
The family is a basic unit of society, and it comprises a man, a woman, and their children.
How's that for starters?
The family is a basic unit of society, and it comprises a man, a woman, and their children.
How's that for starters?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251 [quote]The family is a basic unit of society, and it comprises a man, a woman, and their children.
How's that for starters?[/quote]
That's OK but there are countless broken famiies in America. How will your conservative philosophy remedy that situation?
How's that for starters?[/quote]
That's OK but there are countless broken famiies in America. How will your conservative philosophy remedy that situation?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes You said: "How will your conservative philosophy remedy that situation?"
First of all, is my conservative family unit against progress? Let's agree on one thing: progress and progressive are not the same thing. The left regard progressive as a positive change from backwardness to forward movement of a positive kind. Not all movement from the status quo is for the better. A change from the man/woman conservative family unit to a two men, two women, or two whatever family unit may be progressive but not progress in terms of societal integrity. In my opinion, it is regressive.
The conservative family unit is not a natural set up. It is an idealistic artifice set up to meet idealistic social mores. The conservative family unit is the model for the traditional society. Human nature is murky. We don't understand it and it cannot be caged. And I don't have a conservative philosophy for the human family.
First of all, is my conservative family unit against progress? Let's agree on one thing: progress and progressive are not the same thing. The left regard progressive as a positive change from backwardness to forward movement of a positive kind. Not all movement from the status quo is for the better. A change from the man/woman conservative family unit to a two men, two women, or two whatever family unit may be progressive but not progress in terms of societal integrity. In my opinion, it is regressive.
The conservative family unit is not a natural set up. It is an idealistic artifice set up to meet idealistic social mores. The conservative family unit is the model for the traditional society. Human nature is murky. We don't understand it and it cannot be caged. And I don't have a conservative philosophy for the human family.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251 As long as the people in the relationship love each other and are in love with each other and treat each other with respect and dignity, why does it have to be a hetrosexual relationship?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes I don't know anything about "being in love" apart from the time when I was 17 and have yet to lose my innocence.
I have watch this TV show called "Archie Bunker". Does Archie love his wife, Edith, the dingbat he yells at? I think so. A long relationship that doesn't break up, because one cannot live without the other, is a love relationship. It can be between a man and a woman, between two men, two women, or between a man and his dog.
A sexual relationship is not a wholesome one be it heterosexual or homosexual.
I have watch this TV show called "Archie Bunker". Does Archie love his wife, Edith, the dingbat he yells at? I think so. A long relationship that doesn't break up, because one cannot live without the other, is a love relationship. It can be between a man and a woman, between two men, two women, or between a man and his dog.
A sexual relationship is not a wholesome one be it heterosexual or homosexual.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Diotrephes You are forgetting the first inhabitants of the American continent who started migrating over from Asia many thousands of years ago via the Bering sea and who have been living in America quite happily until Christoper Columbus first set foot in the New World. They were the first Native Americans.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@justanothername [quote]You are forgetting the first inhabitants of the American continent who started migrating over from Asia many thousands of years ago via the Bering sea and who have been living in America quite happily until Christoper Columbus first set foot in the New World. They were the first Native Americans.
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Sorry to tell you that your comment indicates that you are clueless.
The word "American" describes the nationality of citizens of the United States of America. It does not apply to anyone else on the planet Earth.
"Nationality
noun: American(s)
adjective: American"
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/united-states/
Indigenous Indians did not become Americans until Congress granted them citizenship with the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act#:~:text=The%20Indian%20Citizenship%20Act%20of,peoples%20of%20the%20United%20States.
It took until the mid-1950s before all Indians could vote in America.
Do you think slaves in America were Americans?
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Sorry to tell you that your comment indicates that you are clueless.
The word "American" describes the nationality of citizens of the United States of America. It does not apply to anyone else on the planet Earth.
"Nationality
noun: American(s)
adjective: American"
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/united-states/
Indigenous Indians did not become Americans until Congress granted them citizenship with the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act#:~:text=The%20Indian%20Citizenship%20Act%20of,peoples%20of%20the%20United%20States.
It took until the mid-1950s before all Indians could vote in America.
Do you think slaves in America were Americans?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes You said: "Do you think slaves in America were Americans?"
No, neither are bald eagles and bisons.
An American is a make-belief identity. It's like kids playing cowboys and Indians. Grow up!
No, neither are bald eagles and bisons.
An American is a make-belief identity. It's like kids playing cowboys and Indians. Grow up!
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@sree251 Nothing make believe about the accomplishments Americans have achieved.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251[quote] An American is a make-belief identity. It's like kids playing cowboys and Indians. Grow up!
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You must be from another galaxy because you know nothing about life in the Milky Way Galaxy.
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You must be from another galaxy because you know nothing about life in the Milky Way Galaxy.