Chaos in the UK Parliament.

It almost fills me with Nostalgia about the Brexit era but this time it's about Gaza.

The SNP (Scottish National Party) to the left of Keir Starmer's labour and had a motion (bill) calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Because some labour MP's have a conscious and/or Muslin constituents, this was likely to severely divide the labour vote and force the party leadership to ponder the cost/benefit analysis of developing an actiual backbone.

Starmer had a meeting with the speaker of the house (the head administrator, for Americans) and asked him to change the bill to labour's watered down version. Starmer claimed that this was because labour MP's had received threats and would be in danger if the vote went ahead but this was nothing to do with Stamer not wanting the bill being voted on and dividing his party. No guv, not at all. The speaker relented and the SNP motion was dropped. The SNP stormed out and Gaza keeps burning.

Joy.

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Elessar · 26-30, M

If this will result in another Tory win, those memes that said you were the new Italy after Truss should be elevated to premonitions 🙈

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Elessar Its a win for Starmer's Labour, which honestly, is barely better.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 I doubt the difference would be only marginal; I mean, liberals are hardcore capitalists but generally can be reasoned with and talked into compromising on social aspects, Far righters will just birth the worst policies they can possibly conceive, just to spite you and enjoy seeing the world burn (literally and non).

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Elessar Imagine a nicer version of the Tories but then take away the nice part.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 Is him really that bad? I was under the impression he was a weaker left, or actually more like a centrist selling themselves as left (kinda like our PD), not actually a carbon copy of the Tories? (In a general sense, not strictly on Israelo-Palestinian matters, I mean)

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Elessar He's worse than Biden, relative to a UK context.

Purging leftwing MPs, selling out on all policies and not even liberal on social issues. I could right an essay on this.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 I'd still stick with him over the Tories, if he's pandering to the votes of the conservatives soon enough he'll realize that those won't move from their party of reference no matter how hard right it goes (at least if Britain works like virtually elsewhere on this). At that point he'll figure out that he has more to earn by compromising with the left, or deal with lasting less than Truss.

Biden himself used to be much more conservative than now, and I think it's pretty much the same process.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Elessar You are not right. I can explain later but it really is worse than you think.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 Feel free to, and no rush

But careful with that sort of thinking, it's how America got Trump and how here we got Meloni. Someone gotta win the election, I have a hard time believing that another Tory term would be better.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Elessar Not better. One percent better policies and working overtime to destroy the chance of the Corbyn faction ever having a voice again.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 Starmer will peak and then fade too, just like everyone else before him and after him, Corbyn I think was no exception. It's the endless cycle of politics I guess