Pro Israel folk 🇮🇱 are also pro illegal occupation. Do they know that ?
It is funny how hardcore pro the state of Israel folk try to come across as this moral entity [b]When Gaza , the West Bank and East Jerusalem are according to the United Nations are all illegally and I repeat ILLEGALLY occupied by Israel for decades on end now. [/b]
This illegal occupation is coupled with illegal settlements on lands that according to law belong to Palestinians, settler vi*lence/p*groms with impunity , detention of Palestinians without charge (and most of the time if charged at all it’s for going against a soldier which is legal under occupation) , the continuation of Palestinians displacement and the overall apartheid fasc*st N*zi regime.
Here are two videos to enlighten you of the aparth*id regime explained by ex Israeli soldiers. Please do watch :
https://youtu.be/aEdGcej-6D0?si=Pj-biro_pONhhhZI
https://youtu.be/kbPnF8Hvj0I?si=W849LNICPumBVaWR
Moreover due to this occupation the Palestinians in Gaza, west bank, and East Jerusalem are all separated from each other. In fact Palestinians in the west bank live in ghettos and are separated not just from the illegal settlers but even among themselves by segregation walls and humiliating checkpoints. They also need permit from Israel for everything even to move from one place to another or build You also have the blockade on Gaza (not even coriander allowed in) that leaves no room for any economic opportunities and only deteriorate their mental health and fuels their anger Also No central government No military (yes Palestinians do not have a military nor allowed to ) No sovereignty over their land air or water And the list goes on.
Here are a “few articles “ to illustrate what I mean :
And under international law in the Geneva convention , the occupied people have a right to resist an occupation. But for instance , in the West Bank the soldiers who go in there for r*ids to maintain this illegal occupation many times are met with rightful Palestinian resistance (sometimes even Civilians and children with rocks ) and in response these soldiers open fire And Palestinians get ki*led. 234 Palestinians in the West Bank including children were k*lled this year alone , while illegal settlers were responsible for nine more killings. (Pre 7th of Oct )
Many times not even because of clashes like here is a story of a father with his children in a car And he is too late to press the brakes at a checkpoint in his own land which should not even be there in the first place And the soldiers started raining fire on his car which led to the m*rder of his 12 year old son :
https://youtu.be/KXYNnNZB3Xs?si=faPKa3tQF_SDWoLI
Or this 7 year old child who died due to a heart attack right after being chased by a solider for supposedly throwing a rock:
https://youtu.be/3eteydtow8E?si=5eK3aRKjtbV3RrIx
[b]PS: all of the points , articles and videos above is before 7th of October. I also heavily focused on the West Bank because Hamas does not rule there .
And because I know a lot of western evangelicals are the biggest supporters of this n*zi regime Here are Christian Palestinians dancing who converted to this faith when you still did not hear of this faith yet :
@dubum I know. This level of barbarism was not expected by today's generation. Never taught in schools. We thought the humane way had pervaded the whole world cause we NEEDED it to be like that.
We were living in a long dangerous FANTASY. And now the "holy" land wants to show us some truth. But it makes me glad I'm really OLD. It wont last too much longer for me.
It’s possible to support Israel while opposing the settlement policy. Just as it’s possible to support Saudi Arabia while opposing their ongoing genocide in Yemen, their disgraceful treatment of women, and their monarchist government that has no place in the 21st century.
Can’t trust media. The killings, I don’t trust that at all. Both sides are killing terribly. Occupation: it’s a world wide thing. USA on Indian occupation. No one says a word. That’s what battling for land is babe.
@Mmiker there is no two sides There is the occupier And the occupied The ethnic cleanser And the ethnically cleansed The colonist And the one resisting colonialism The one with an army And the one without one The one under apartheid And the one under it
The rapist and who slapped the rapist during the rape aren’t the same
@Moon3624 you are literally arguing against a position I’m not taking. I obviously don’t know more about the situation then you and I never said that you didn’t have a justifiable position for having this be deeply personal. I don’t understand your need in this to devalue my thoughts and force positions on me that I didn’t take. Almost every question you’ve posed to me in your last reply is statements I haven’t made and positions that I haven’t taken. I don’t know why you continue to feel the need to completely mischaracterize me but I can’t have a conversation with you when you do that and it makes even discussing this with you impossible.
Examples.
[quote]No that land as a Saudi does not belong to me. Just Egyptians Have no right to go there in masses and displace the people there and steal their homes.[/quote] Could absolutely be true. This is part of the nuances of that situation that I don’t know enough about and is why I’d never comment or take a position on because I’m not really informed enough about it.
[quote]You do know that 1 in 3 refugees abroad are Palestinian don’t you and not given the right of return right ? Or about the innerly displaced people?[/quote] I don’t know that but that’s why I haven’t at all taken a position on that because I don’t know. No position on this one either because I’m not knowledgeable enough. Most of the positions you take on all of this stuff make sense to me without knowing everything but you typically argue against me like I’m taking the opposite view and I’m just listening and asking some questions but it gets harder and harder as you continue to paint me as someone that I’m not at all.
[quote]It’s a terrorist organization and a terrorist army[/quote] We haven’t really established here what “IT” is but I’m assuming you mean the IDF and I’m very clear on your thoughts on them and I’ve made clear that I think Netanyahu, settler expansion (not only under Netanyahu but in general) is quite horrible “, and the seige on Gaza against innocent Palestinians is a travesty. Why you keep treating me like I’m dumb, not compassionate to the situation, and possible a xenophobic… as it doesn’t quite make sense to me.l at all. It really makes discourse difficult on this entire subject.
[quote] “ I get that this is deeply personal to you”
Yes maybe because the Zionists were attempting to make my hometown in east Arabia their Jewish settler colony but it happened that Palestinians ended up being the victim Want to see the letter ?[/quote] I never said you didn’t have perfectly reasonable reason for having it be deeply personal… only that it is. I don’t know if somehow you are reading some kind of sarcasm into my words but there is none. It is deeply personal for you, I understand why, and I’ve not once argued against your feelings on this. Only you to me. Every time. You paint me with a position that I don’t have and then use insultive language to me when responding to this position I don’t have. I don’t need to see a letter when you just keep insulting me. It makes me literally not want to even learn any more about this because I’m tired of arguing about stuff that I never said.
[quote]Smh 🤦♀️[/quote] I know… shake my head, right? It must be so exhausting arguing against someone that is not arguing and who refuses to defend a position that they didn’t take.
But why would I? It’s not my position.
The last thing I would say is that I respect and love that you have such love for your people, your heritage, and your faith… but why you would give such blind support to Hamas that would not defend your right to love who you love and would just as soon pack you up beaten and murdered in the back of the pickup right along with the Israeli festival attendees for intimacies you have already done astounds me. I’m proud of my faith too but I don’t support the Westboro Babtist church that pickets gay people’s funerals holding up sick hate signs and yelling foul things to attendees… and even they wouldn’t stone us in the streets. I already take serious issue with Israel, the IDF, and Netanyahu’s gov’t. But I don’t hear you take a position on Hamas at all. They would not support you at all.
@DarkHeaven “you are literally arguing against a position I’m not taking. “
but saying “it’s complicated “ when it’s not Is pretty much taking a side.
It’s like saying the slave owner and the slave who was once a free man but was simply abducted into slavery is a complicated matter . Does that sound logical to you?probably not but darling back then it sounded logical to the majority and was viewed as a complicated matter In fact it was civil war in your country that primarily led to the end of slavery based on color So If you escape the matrix of your gov and the bubble of your bias and privileges no way in hell would you look at this as a complicated matter.
And Why do you assume that by saying that you are pro Palestinian it somehow means the genocide of the people of Jewish faith? when it simply means Justice and freedom ? Is freedom and Justice a complicated matter to you?
Even Hamas which is the extremist form of Palestinian ideology Does not even preach that And this is Hamas charter 2017:
But I have plenty of direct quotes of Israeli official representatives wether pre and or after 7th of October of collectively inciting the dehumanization or and the genocide of the Palestinian people. Funny huh? Ironic to say the least.
Saying “it’s complicated” Is tremendously damaging to the Palestinian cause Because it’s a lie It’s an attempt to make it seem as if they are two poor sides equally oppressed by each other When it was and is not the case In fact the Palestinian side does not have a country nor an army The occupied and occupier The ethnic cleanser and the ethnic cleansed The apartheid enforcer and the enforced Are not two poor sides
“ The last thing I would say is that I respect and love that you have such love for your people, your heritage, and yur faith”
they are not my people though 😅 And I don’t support only the Palestinian Muslims So that paragraph is extremely awful Plus many of the pro Palestinian cause folk are not of the same heritage or genetics or language This is a humanitarian issue Which is becoming very old now
“ I already take serious issue with Israel, the IDF, and Netanyahu’s gov’t. But I don’t hear you take a position on Hamas at all. They would not support you at all.”
Because the Palestinian struggle and persecution and plea for Justice does not revolve around Hamas nor did it start with Hamas and exists without Hamas and in places where there is no Hamas in fact there are Palestinian factions like fatah who oppose Hamas So you wanting me to talk about Hamas When I mention the Palestinian cause is heavily problematic and enraging to say the least.
But isn’t it funny that you never spoke up despite the yearly reports of Palestinian pain but when ur loved side experienced a pinch compared to what the Palestinians have been experiencing as a routine you jumped out of your chair wanting all sorts of condemnations?
As for Hamas , I rather focus on Satan and not his tiny product That even if crushed Another one will be created in it placed Do you understand what I mean? moreover hamas resistance is legal according to international law so their attacks against Israel in essence are legal As for Their ideology, it is not genocidal (as I showed you above regarding Jews ) and in fact even democratic:
Hamas also denied targeting civilians on purpose If killing civilians in an operation is what makes an entity terrorist then the government of Israel and the IDF is a terrorist organization. And your government is also a terrorist organization. And my government is also a terrorist organization. Let’s be real for fucks sake 😅 and drop the hypocrisy.
I do want persecution of any Hamas offender But Hamas as a whole entity Is logically and not emotionally speaking is not a terrorist entity
It’s not that I like Hamas or agree with Hamas I’m just being rational. Something many people lack.
And the most fascinating thing About pro Israel folk is that they expect the Palestinians who are busy with their suffering to care about the side who are the cause of their suffering As Norman Finkelstein who is an American politician and a Jew And the child of holocaust survivors said “Expecting Palestinians to sympathize with the citizens of Israel is like expecting the Jews during Nazi germany to sympathize with the Germans “
No one says it’s morally right to not sympathize with Israeli civilians Just like German civilians But expecting Palestinians who have been suffering by Israel to care about their civilians is beyond human capacity Also expecting Palestinians to condemn While you ppl have been letting them suffer Makes them only boil in anger And prove to them y’all only care about one side
