Yes, SOME of the blame has go to to teachers. I've subbed for a teacher who was suspended for punching a student. I subbed for another who grabbed a student by the front of the shirt and lifted him up in anger. Teachers aren't perfect.
Thing is, all the degrees in the world do not prepare a person to TEACH. If you ask ANY teacher, he/she will tell you that the real teaching training begins the first time the candidate faces the classroom. If you see a teacher who has been on the job for more than ten years, that is a VALUABLE part of the system, because that person has had training that NO university can provide.
The other problem is, it is the teacher's job to TEACH, not manage a bunch of idiots who were never properly raised by their parents, who don't want to be there and who think nothing of disrupting the class.
And for a lot of you goose stepping NaziLibs, it's not a race thing.
I've subbed at many inner city black-ish schools were most of the student body was black, (one school in particular where the front office gave us a sheet outlining the fact that a lot of the boys were actually the man of the house. That actually happened.) This little black hoodlums were raised by THESE entitled thug parents.
By the same token I've subbed at some predominately white schools with almost a MIRROR IMAGE of the same misbehavior and lack of parental guidance. And the schools didn't always wind up in low income neighborhoods.
So it's NOT about race or color. Unlike racist liberals (yeah, I know, that's a redundancy) I am colorblind when it comes to education. I've subbed at one inner city elementary school where the kids (mostly black) were as well behaved as college students. I've subbed at rich schools (with kids driving up in Porsches) where I wanted to break a chair over the head of an entitled piece of shit who won't shut up.
Oh, and in some areas that are predominately Latino, I was surprised at how well behaved the kids were. Turns out, as a culture their parents would whip the shit out of them if they acted up in class. So it's not about national origin, either.
Most of the problems in education are about negligent parents.
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Having seen only a pale shade of this, I empathise, but see the issue differently. Teacher do have a very specific problem. That is those students who simply arent there to be educated. So what is required in a remedial school more like juvenile detention. Where all those kids can be sent, to give the students who want to learn a chance to learn and those teachers who are not paid enough a chance to do what they are trained to do.. To teach..馃樂
@whowasthatmaskedman See, THIS is where I get in trouble with fellow conservatives, (proving again the rule that conservatives are the most intelligent and independent thinkers in the world.) They want to blame ALL teachers and they want to shove PARENTAL CHOICE into the mix. Problem is, a large enough percentage of parents just don't give a shit. As far as teachers not getting paid enough, that is determined at the county level, mostly funded by property taxes. And you see market forces at work. Teachers who cannot afford rising housing prices soon quit the profession and the demand for subs goes up. The Free Market in action.
@Reason10 Yes. I cant argue with you on those thoughts. And I should make it clear that I am in fact locally regarded as conservative in that I have the values and trappings..But as an economist I see the cost of keeping the subculture of ignorant masses (no offence to those) in check as being greater than the cost of educating them and making them part of the solution, not the problem..馃樂
@whowasthatmaskedman Well, as a matter of fact you seem to have hit on the real problem: keeping the subculture of ignorant masses in check. Democrats are elected mostly by ignorant masses. (Just look at the uneducated liberals at this forum. I've seen more brains in a manure factory.) Your point is well taken. Educating these ignorant masses IS the mission. It's why a lot of teachers stay on the job, even though the pay doesn't keep pace with Democrat party generated inflation, high fuel costs and high housing costs. Those ignoramuses in class HAVE to be taught, and their equally ignorant lazy welfare cheating parents have got to be MADE to make those brats study and not act up in class. America has enough stupid people, (as evidenced by the number of Democrats holding office in Washington.)
@Reason10 Now we can go off on tangents as to who to blame.I see this as a slippery slope going all the way back to Nixon, with each administration (both sides) taking one more step into the abyss and now suddenly you have an overnight problem that is half a century in the making. Thats how economics works sometimes..馃樂
@whowasthatmaskedman I'm trying to come up with what Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and the Bushes did that damaged education as much as the Democrat welfare state. (Nixon was maybe the most liberal president of all time, giving us food stamps, affirmative action and the economy destroying EPA, as well as the Budget And Impoundment Act of 1974m, which put all entitlements on automatic increase per year.) About the only thing I can point to a Republican president for would be Bush 43's "No Child Left Behind" act. Other than that, what people have to realize is the fact that very little takes place in the Beltway that has a positive impact on education. Most of the work,and the money, is achieved at the county level. It's only when some yahoo in the Beltway gets a wild hair up his/her ass and orders studies and meetings that teachers are taken out of the the classroom for useless bureaucracy.
@Reason10 OK. I will get you started. Nixone abandoned the Gold Standard. Reagan then de regulated the finance sector nd introduced the idea of triuckle down economics, which let the fox loose in the financial hen house. And I wont just pick on the Right. Clinton decided to forstall a recession after the dot Com bubble burst, byt promoting a real estate boom, which set the statge in a deregulated market for Ninja loans. Everyone tried to fix last years problem and created next years problem, because they couldnt face the tough choices..馃樂
@whowasthatmaskedman The gold standard had NOTHING to do with education. Yes, it DID give us the first price shocks at the gas pumps in the early Seventies, mostly because (and few people know this) oil is traded primarily in U.S. DOLLARS. There is no such thing as trickle down economics, (except where Democrats engaged in the trickle down WELFARE STATE.) Reagan's policies gave AMerica the greatest economy of the 20th Century, which was a miracle, considering what he inherited. As far as the real estate market being promoted to the detriment of the economy, the blame for that goes back to Barak Saddam Hussein Obama, back when he was with ACORN and sued banks to give house loans to people who couldn't pay them back, creating the sub prime mortgage crisis, which Bush 43 inherited. KKKlinton's wonderful contributions to the economy was his continued efforts to get the Saudis to cut back on oil production and get the gas prices back up on a Democrat Party increase.
@Reason10 Thank you for your erudite and completely unbiased narrative. And for clearly defining the type of person who holds an alternative view to mine..馃樂
@Reason10 At least you admit you dont know if it is bias. Its the bias that comes with cherry picking the facts and not making any attempt at analysis. But thats OK. I could start tearing your "facts" apart. But its a waste of both our times. You dont want to know..馃樂
@whowasthatmaskedman Fact is fact, regardless of which way a piece leans. And you apparently don't like the facts. Thing is FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.
@whowasthatmaskedman There is no such thing as Republican numbers. Republicans are the most independent thinkers on the planet. Unlike DemoNazis, who goose step in lockstep and all say the same thing, Republicans can't even agree on lunch. The only greedy, scared and hateful types are you miniature HITLERS here.
@Reason10 In one sense I guess you are correct. in terms of independence, Republicans only thoughts are about them and their needs. To hell with everyone else.. And thats fine. If you are a fur trapper living off in the wilderness.But society has moved on and it takes a society to be safe and thrive these days. Davy Crocketts time has gone..馃樂
@whowasthatmaskedman Again, you can't really paint Republicans with one brush. Their thinking is way too diverse. On the other hand, goose stepping Democrats ALL think the same, because they are ALL uneducated idiots who follow their fuhrer.
@Reason10 I wasnt trying to paint all Republicans with one brush. Not even all Maganites. Some of those follow through stupidity and ignoance. Some through a patriotic/religious furvor to find a Messaih to lead them to the Promised Land (and they will believe any promise) and some through greed. Not all the same at all. But I do agree with your closing remark. All uneducated idiots will follow their Fuhrer..It really doesnt matter which side. They follow because they refuse to think for themselves..馃樂
@whowasthatmaskedman If there is a major difference between Democrats and Republicans it's the THINKING thing. Democrats do not think. They are stupid. They all march to whatever Fuhrer gives them the ideological path. Republicans cannot agree on lunch. They are the ONLY independent thinkers in America, probably because they are all over the place, ideologically.
Frankly, I believe independent thinking is much healthier than Nazism/Liberalism, which is mostly the Democrat party.
