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Republican Senators Slam Republican Sen. Tommy Tuberville (Ala.) for Military Holds.

As Wednesday night wore on, Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-AK) , a colonel in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, and Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA), a former commander in the U.S. Army Reserve and Iowa Army National Guard, continued to bring up new nominations and appeared to become increasingly frustrated. They noted that they were bringing up the nominations “one by one” as Tuberville had once called for, and they asked why he wouldn’t allow them to go forward. Tuberville did not answer.

“I do not respect men who do not honor their word,” Ernst said.

Sullivan said “China is smiling” as the United States holds up its own military heroes. “As an American,” Sullivan said, “it almost wants to make you weep.”

Sullivan led a group of five Republicans on the Senate floor late Wednesday evening and forced Tuberville to block votes on 61 nominees. The action was a significant turn, as Tuberville was confronted by members of his own party who argued his hold is damaging the military at a precarious time.

"There is growing bitterness within the ranks of our military," Sullivan said on the Senate floor Wednesday. "The men and women who've served our country so well for decades -- probably the most combat-experienced generation since World War II -- have made huge sacrifices, multiple deployments, and now their careers are being punished over a policy dispute they had nothing to do with and no power to resolve.

"And the idea that some of these officers are supposedly woke or desk jockeys, it's ridiculous," Sullivan added.

Sullivan, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee's readiness subcommittee, also said Tuberville was "100% wrong" in his belief that his hold has not hurt the military's ability to be ready for a war.

After Tuberville objected to confirming Air Force Maj. Gen. Laura Lenderman as deputy commander of Pacific Air Forces, Graham turned to Tuberville while holding up a picture of Lenderman and told him, "You just denied this lady a promotion. You did that."

"Xi Jinping is loving this. So is Putin," Sullivan said as the night wore on, referring to the Chinese and Russian leaders. "How dumb can we be, man?"
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
If you ever wanted to see a better example of why no person should ever be allowed to run for office before having completed a term of military service I think this is it..The most advanced and powerful military in the world held up for this @$$hole and the party who allows him a platform..😷
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman
If you ever wanted to see a better example of why no person should ever be allowed to run for office before having completed a term of military service I think this is it.

I disagree. I don't think military service should be a prerequisite for holding elective office. (plus, that would be uncontitutional).

The problem is that Sen. Chuck Schumer didn't hold Republicans accountable by putting national defense FIRST on the Senate agenda.

NOTHING should have been done, i.e. no business at all in the Senate, until the promotions were all brought up one by one or until Tuberville gave up. It would have been 24-hours round-the-clock televised embarrassment to the GOP, with Democrats praising each one of the nominees for promotion, noting their military record.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero We can agree to disagree. But I do see a term of military service as a way of weeding out some of the worst candidates. One in particular comes to mind..😷
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman

Neither Woodrow Wilson or Franklin Roosevelt served in the military prior to becoming Commander in Chief as President of the United States. Yet their leadership helped win two World Wars.

Abraham Lincoln did not serve in the U.S. military, either (he did spend some time in the Illiniois state militia).
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero I could make you long and complex arguments regarding how both Wilson and Roosevelt may have done much better if they had served in the military. (Wilson badly botched the Versaille Treaty and directly led to the rise of Nazi Germany and Roosevelt miscalculated his trade embargo on Japan in relation to Americas preparedness to engage in war..) and America was a vastly different country in a different world in Lincolns time.. A time based more on might and in need of laws..Americans now lack a sense of common purpose and duty and this alone is enough to keep the nation divided, even without the corruption. I am not saying military service will improve the quality of the representatives. Just get rid of the worst.😷
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman

I've argued, like Marshal Foch, that the Treaty of Versailles was far too lenient on Germany. ("This is not peace,” he said. “It is an armistice for 20 years.")

(By the way, FDR was Assistant Secretary of the Navy in World War I.)

The trade embargo against Japan was both the CORRECT and MORAL thing to do.

But the blame for the lack of military prepardedness lies not with Roosevelt but by three successive Republican administrations which literally sunk more U.S. capital ships during the interwar period with their "disarmament treaties" than the Central Powers did during the entire war!
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman
I am not saying military service will improve the quality of the representatives. Just get rid of the worst.

I wonder if I should bring up Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. 🤔
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero Where I would have gone the other way and put in place more of a Marshall plan approach in germany changing their economic and political structure. Granted, that would not have been simply and the place wasnt trashed as badly and the French still had a seat at the table, not just a branch office through De Gaulle..😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero Only if I get to compare them to Bush 2 (Daddy fixing him up in the coast guard doesnt count) and "you know who".. But its not just about the top job. Its about every elected official..One bad apple (like Tuberville) causes mayhem way beyond their numbers. (one guy comes to mind)😷
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman

De Gaulle? He was a minor officer during the war and spent much of the war as a POW.

Most of the war in western Europe was fought on French soil. France, and the Allies, most certainly deserved reparations.

Wilson campaigned hard and fought valiantly for U.S. Senate approval in the League of Nations (which lacked the "teeth" of the UN Charter) and it probably killed him (the stroke and his eventual death in 1924).

If the Republican-controlled U.S. Senate couldn't even ratify our involvement in the League, how on Earth do you expect a Marshall Plan approach would have gotten passed?!

Skipping ahead to World War II...

If you've never seen the movie Battle of the Bulge, it's worthwhile. Major characters had names changed and a lot is condensed. Gen. Patton's involvement is left out. But the story is essentially right.

There's a scene early on when Lt. Col. Kiley (Henry Fonda) is expressing his fear to Maj. Wolenski (Charles Bronson) that the Germans are planning a major offensive but he can't get his superiors to believe the supporting evidence.

KILEY: "All the signs point to only one thing. Is it possible they mean something else? Maybe this war is beyond me and maybe Colonel Pritchard's right... What do you think?"

WOLENSKI: "Well, sir. I'm regular Army. I don't get into beefs between colonels. But I'll tell you what some of my stir-crazy men think. They think we got a great opportunity here. We got a chance to wipe out Germany. Just wipe it clean off the map. Knock everything down...every city...every castle, all the bridges, all the roads. Everything. Don't leave two stones standing together. Just wipe the slate clean. Turn Germany into a prairie, then ship over a few buffalo...and let them start from scratch."
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman
One bad apple (like Tuberville) causes mayhem way beyond their numbers. (one guy comes to mind)

Dare I bring up Ike? What did his military experience bring to the table?

He managed to screw up situations in Egypt, Hungary, North Korea, Iran and Cuba (plus the U-2 incident) before he left office (and helped give rise to Nixon, too).

And don't forget: your proposal would discriminate against those who are physical unfit to serve in the military and would be especially biased against women.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero The movie is a classic and a favourite. I have to declare that as an economics person I look for the numbers and the big picture in everything. Politics is frankly the opposite. Looking at what is expedient for now and has the best "look" to the voters. The way I see it, people who have served understand military consequences better and that makes them better able to see what is practical short term and likely long term outcomes.. So many things in all those movies point to the tensions between political goals and military possibilities..😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero Ike is an interesting one, since his military record is as much about his ability to bring together and hold coalitions as it was to outthink the enemy on the field, He usually left that to others..Now Patton would have been a complete disaster as a President..😷
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman
Ike is an interesting one...

If you haven't seen it...

Robert Duvall as Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower
Lee Remick as Kay Summersby
Dana Andrews as Gen. George C. Marshall
Ian Richardson as Field Marshal Sir Bernard Law Montgomery
Darren McGavin as Gen. George S. Patton
Richard Herd as Gen. Omar Bradley
Wolfgang Preiss as Colonel Gen. Alfred Jodl
...and many more

[media=https://youtu.be/cNVKdJnQttg]

[media=https://youtu.be/ozUZ8DW6bes]

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero Sorry. I was speaking of Ike the person. Not the movie..God knows what the made up about him to make the movie..😷
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@whowasthatmaskedman
God knows what the made up about him to make the movie



Oh, the movie is pretty accurate.

Everyone knew what was going on between him and Kay.

Even Gen. Bradley wrote in his autobiography:

"Their close relationship is quite accurately portrayed, so far as my personal knowledge extends, in Kay's second book, 'Past Forgetting.'"

Bradley called Summersby, "Ike’s shadow" and felt her influence made Ike, "decidedly pro-British." And Bradley wasn't the only one who felt that way. Eisenhower would take American officers to task for criticizing British colleagues while accepting various insults from Field Marshal Montgomery. That led to American officers saying, "Eisenhower is the best general the British have."

Mamie Eisenhower was said to be incensed when her husband back home on a brief leave during the war and kept calling her "Kay."

The rumors about them even led to the U.S. Army airbrushing her out of the published photo of the German surrender with Ike's famous "V" symbol with the pens used for the surrender.



https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/bittersweet-surrender-frank-mcnally-on-the-irishwoman-airbrushed-out-of-a-wartime-victory-portrait-1.4246716

OK, so Ike had an affair. Many officers did. Even FDR had affairs.

But the hypocrisy was the Republicans using Democratic presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson's divorce as a 1952 campaign issue.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@beckyromero I dont doubt any of that for a moment. Its the nature of powerful men that they have the opportunity to stray and take advantage of it. Look at Kennedy and Clinton. And smart women will use that influence. I pass no judgement on either side. I just dont see how that is connected with the job they do unless is compromises their work or distracts them. Granted in the case of Eisenhower it may have.😷