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On Misapplied Truisms

Once you notice this in debate, you can never unnotice it again and it's unfortunately become a very common tactic in political discourse.

A misapplied truism is when someone says something completely self-evidently true that appears to be a response to someone else's argument but actually isn't.

A blatant example of this is when people say 'All lives matter,' in response to BLM. It's a truism because nobody can argue that all lives don't matter but the point here is that nobody [i]has[/i] argued that all lives don't matter. BLM supporters argue that black lives matter too, not that white lives don't matter. As a misapplied truism, 'all lives matter,' pretends otherwise.

If you can't deal with your opponent's argument as it stands, a misapplied truism allows you to switch the point of contention onto something else by making your opponent's argument appear as something that it's not. It's a kind of straw-manning.

Sorry, but I am going to go there because this relates to Israel/Palestine. A lot.

"Israel has the right to defend itself." Nobody could disagree with a country wanting to defend itself. The real point of contention is whether Israel has the right to attack a city and kill 8,000 civilians (so far).

"Hamas and Netanyahu have both done bad things." Few disagree. Some on the Trumpian right like Netanyahu but almost literally nobody on the left actually supports Hamas. Defending the lives of Palestinian civilians implies no ideological support for Hamas at all, though there are great attempts to pretend otherwise.

Often people who use this technique are not even aware of it. It tells the truth in its own terms, but those terms are a lie.
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I’m seeing a lot of regular people defending Hamas and saying Israel should not exist. Disagreeing with this is not misdirection.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Where?
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@LeopoldBloom I can’t imagine many are defending Hamas. They might be defending Palestinians. People that speak flippantly often don’t do their research.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@LeopoldBloom I haven't once defended Hamas or justified their massacre.

That being said, that doesn't excuse Israel leveling Gaza to the ground and killing civilians.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

By all means, kill Hamas leaders, kill Hamas militants, but there's no reason to bomb children and civilians.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom @Burnley123 @basilfawlty89 It’s good to know that those who criticize Israel as an apartheid state, founded on colonialism, and currently engaged in genocide, at the same time condemn Hamas and still believe Israel should continue to exist, or has a right to exist. That’s not necessarily easy to do, but it is a relief.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Bumbles I also don't offer unfair criticism of Israel nor do I give special attention to Israel. There are countries of course with far worse human rights records and war crimes, but we hold Israel to a higher standard, because it's a liberal democracy.

That being said, I have called out multiple states that have engaged in atrocities. In particular in recent memory Azerbaijan and Turkey.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Bumbles That is all basically my position and always has been!
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 I appreciate the distinction you make. Do you think that is why so many college kids and other protesters are so enraged?Because to them, Israel is not living up to its own ideals as a liberal democracy? Media coverage certainly plays a big factor.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Bumbles I don't mean liberal in the term of US politics. I don't mean Democrat. I mean liberal in the sense that it was founded on the basis of democracy, representation, free speech, free press, etc. Liberalism in th classical political (not economical) sense.

Actually there are some things I do admire about Israel, at least the Israel that used to be in reference to the kibbutz movement.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Bumbles Do we have different standards for Israel because it's a westernised country?

It's a fair enough question and I genuinely don't know. One factor is that it is a western ally. There are many on the left -myself included- who have called out what the Saudis did in Yemen. I also criticised Qatar in my world cup posts.

I've also done plenty to call on my own country's imperialist legacy and modern foreign policy. I also criticised Putin and Russia for Ukraine.

I think I'm fairly consistent tbh. The big difference that I notice is that you get such strong disagreement when criticising Israel, that wouldn't happen elsewhere. I've been called an anti-Semite and a terrorist apologist, a few times. For me, I'm just applying the same values and analysis that I apply to other conflicts.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 As Christopher Hitchens once asked, should there be a Jewish state or a state for Jews? I say the latter.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 I don't think you are either of those things. Generally, yes, we should apply the same values.
@Burnley123 The Palestinians definitely enjoy the bigotry of low expectations. Israel is held to a higher standard.
@Bumbles Hitchens was an anti-theist. His vision of the future was a world without religion. So he opposed a religious Jewish state, just as he opposed religious Christian, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist states.

How would Israel look if it was a "state for Jews?" Jews aren't just a religious group, they're also an ethnic one. People call it an "ethnostate" as if that's a bad thing and it's the only one.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom I think repatriation for many exiled Palestinians, for example. There are also laws about how land can be transferred, laws about marriage, residency rights in Jerusalem, and many others. Arabs enjoy many rights in Israel, more than they do in Arab states, but there is still legal discrimination.
@Bumbles Every country has the right to control its borders and who it allows to emigrate. The only reason there is a demand for a "right of return" is because the Arab countries have kept Palestinians in perpetual, multi-generational refugee status. If the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of refugees had been allowed citizenship, they would have been citizens of those countries. Palestinians have been kept in misery and used as pawns by their Arab brethren. There needs to be some accountability for that. This isn't a problem that Israel should be expected to solve by itself.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom My vision for repatriation wouldn’t be opening the border in a chaotic way. Not everyone would be satisfied. I’m sure numbers would be far lower than what Palestinians would want. It also will never happen. I’m imagining if the moderates took over and settled the whole mess once and for all.