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goodlil666 · 56-60, M
It wasn't hit by any planes , but the bottom of the building suffered a lot of damage when debris of the collapsing buildings smashed into it. #7 WTC was not designed like most other high rise buildings. Much of the buildings load was carried on cantilevered trusses because of the large subway works directly underneath of it. That combined with an unchecked and left to burn fire ( for over 8 hrs) partially fed by high pressure diesel fuel lines for emergency generators caused the weakening of those critical load bearing components as well as others causing it to collapse in on itself just like the towers.
In 22yrs of investigating by numerous independent organizations not one piece of physical evidence has ever been seen, found, or recovered , not on piece of det cord, or any structural components severed by shaped charges, to back any of the conspiracy theories.
If you really want to learn what happened to the buildings that led to there collapse look at the science of it , the design of the structures , the damage caused by impacts and all the adverse effects and it is obvious what reality is. I believe in science, evidence and facts.
In 22yrs of investigating by numerous independent organizations not one piece of physical evidence has ever been seen, found, or recovered , not on piece of det cord, or any structural components severed by shaped charges, to back any of the conspiracy theories.
If you really want to learn what happened to the buildings that led to there collapse look at the science of it , the design of the structures , the damage caused by impacts and all the adverse effects and it is obvious what reality is. I believe in science, evidence and facts.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@goodlil666 I remember the newscaster saying live on the air that people felt explosions on the ground near tower 7 just after the north and south towers collapsed, never to be mentioned ever again, ever.
goodlil666 · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 that was all here say, there were all kinds of stories going around and many things were misreported . Fact is no evidence of explosives has ever been found in any of the debris or wreckage of any of the buildings that collapsed that day. It's been gone over by explosive experts, demolition experts, structural experts has had all kinds of chemical and residue tests performed. They have thoroughly examined videos, soundtracks, structural and architectural plans. Performed independent threshold tests on structural steel failure simulating conditions created from impact, fuel explosions, fire exposure and building loads at that time.
The evidence, science and facts have totally debunked any possibility of conspiracy which not one single piece of physical evidence has ever been found, recovered or produced to substantiate those claims. Follow the evidence and that's the only conclusion possible.
The evidence, science and facts have totally debunked any possibility of conspiracy which not one single piece of physical evidence has ever been found, recovered or produced to substantiate those claims. Follow the evidence and that's the only conclusion possible.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@goodlil666 You actually believe everything the government and the establishment media says? 🤔🙄
goodlil666 · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 I don't believe a word the government says. But I believe independent reputable investigators that just want the truth. Do you believe everything you are told by conspiracy nuts without one single piece of physical evidence to back up there claims? Follow the evidence and it will set you free.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@goodlil666 "independent reputable investigators" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Two things have me convinced Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Blair, etc., knew 9/11 was going to happen, the March 2001 Downy Street Memo, as well as the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief. The memo says that Bush and Blair met to try and figure out a plan to take out Saddam, the PDB outlined how 20 Saudis on the intelligence watch list were taking commercial flight lessons, but skipping take off and landing classes, Bush 43 ignored it, then on the morning of September 11, Bush43, while reading to a group of Florida school kids was told, then got a blank look on his face that a military General said made Bush43 seem guilty of something.
goodlil666 · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 Not one piece of evidence in all you said , it's all hearsay . Do you have copies of any of that. Yes, they knew terrorists threats were high but they didn't know any details. Yes they were aware the terrorists were in country and seeking training flying commercial airliners with no interest in landing them . That was brought to the FBI's attention by a flight instructor in Arizona weeks before it happened. Again the look on a person's face? Are you kidding me? I believe in evidence, science and facts and you have none of any of those.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@goodlil666 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙄
BizSuitStacy · M
@goodlil666 Not exactly true that no one has challenged the NIST report. Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth have challenged it directly. And they have a petition with about 4,000 signatures from engineers and architects to reinvestigate. The claims are pretty alarming.
They evaluated more than 100 other big fires in steel frame highrise skyscrapers, and not one ever collapsed.
Using NASA’s AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights weeks after the collapse, the surface temps of the top of the rubble were 1340 degrees F. A hydrocarbon fire caused by diesel would peak around 800 degrees F. And since the fire apparently started around the 12th floor, the temps inside were likely a lot hotter.
During the cleanup, demolition experts found liquefied steel. Steel melts at like 2850 degrees F.
Appendix C of FEMA’s BPAT Report documented steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting.
The building collapsed in a symmetrical free fall on its footprint...a classic sign of a controlled demolition. Several structural engineers are on record saying a fire produces a large deformation and asymmetrical collapse.
The fire had burned out of the north east portion of the 12th floor an hour and a half before the collapse.
A team of two physicists and a geologist found iron, aluminum, sulfur, manganese and fluorine – the chemical evidence of thermate.
None of this appears in the NIST's report, and the agency hasn't responded to these questions. This wouldn't be the first time a gov't agency covered something up.
They evaluated more than 100 other big fires in steel frame highrise skyscrapers, and not one ever collapsed.
Using NASA’s AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights weeks after the collapse, the surface temps of the top of the rubble were 1340 degrees F. A hydrocarbon fire caused by diesel would peak around 800 degrees F. And since the fire apparently started around the 12th floor, the temps inside were likely a lot hotter.
During the cleanup, demolition experts found liquefied steel. Steel melts at like 2850 degrees F.
Appendix C of FEMA’s BPAT Report documented steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting.
The building collapsed in a symmetrical free fall on its footprint...a classic sign of a controlled demolition. Several structural engineers are on record saying a fire produces a large deformation and asymmetrical collapse.
The fire had burned out of the north east portion of the 12th floor an hour and a half before the collapse.
A team of two physicists and a geologist found iron, aluminum, sulfur, manganese and fluorine – the chemical evidence of thermate.
None of this appears in the NIST's report, and the agency hasn't responded to these questions. This wouldn't be the first time a gov't agency covered something up.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@BizSuitStacy Exactly
goodlil666 · 56-60, M
@BizSuitStacy Not one of those 100 high rise fires was started from the impact from a commercial airliners loaded with fuel traveling at 500 mph. Nor were they damaged from the debris from another collapsed buliding. That's no kind of comparisons , get real.
Just like I said the building collapsed because of weakening of the main structural supports ( cantilevered trusses) from unchecked fire inside for over 8 hrs. The building inside burned nonstop for over 8 hrs in places fed from high pressure diesel fuel lines for generators . Many floors burned through the day on multiple floors .
Just like I said the building collapsed because of weakening of the main structural supports ( cantilevered trusses) from unchecked fire inside for over 8 hrs. The building inside burned nonstop for over 8 hrs in places fed from high pressure diesel fuel lines for generators . Many floors burned through the day on multiple floors .
BizSuitStacy · M
@goodlil666 I just did get real. No way a diesel fire gets that hot. No way does a fire cause an symmetrical free fall. Where did the evidence of thermate come from? Not my words...words from multiple structural engineers, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, architects, demolition experts...hundreds of them.
You say you don't trust the gov't, but you're willing to accept a gov't report on building no. 7 with a lot of holes in the story.
You say you don't trust the gov't, but you're willing to accept a gov't report on building no. 7 with a lot of holes in the story.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@goodlil666 Yet the Empire State Building DID survive a plane crash, hmmm 🤔🤷♀️
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BizSuitStacy · M
@NativePortlander1970 that guy is blocked so he won't be able to see anything on this post.
But you are right about that military aircraft crashing into the Empire State building. A very very different result than the twin towers
But you are right about that military aircraft crashing into the Empire State building. A very very different result than the twin towers
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@BizSuitStacy Awwww, can you unblock him then mute for 24 hours before you can reblock again? He needs to see that reply.
BizSuitStacy · M
@NativePortlander1970 I'm done with seeing his nonsense and insulting friends on this post. He had a chance to respond to scientific evidence, and instead chose to gaslight and repeat the gov't narrative.
I'd suggest starting a new post about the Empire State building incident. I had considered that myself. I even have several photos of it.
I'd suggest starting a new post about the Empire State building incident. I had considered that myself. I even have several photos of it.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@BizSuitStacy Good idea
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@BizSuitStacy I just posted it






