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The end of college? UPS drivers now paid $170K - more than doctors and lawyers . . .



Photo above - this is NOT an official UPS driver. Screen cap from "Ace Ventura, Pet Detective". So no lawsuits were filed for trademark infringement or defamation . . .

UPS drivers’ new $170k per year deal shows that unions (and Joe Biden) may just save the middle class after all (yahoo.com)

Quick - which sounds like a better deal to you? $170,000 in student loans, or $170,000 a year as a UPS driver? Don't overthink this - it's not a trick question. (See link above).

All across the country, mothers are walking back 3 generations of advice to their daughters. Don't chase after doctors, lawyers, and GS18 government officials responsible for supplier contracts (they get a lot of gifts/bribes). The new hot career: Trucking. You might also want to consider welding (100,000 vacant positions?) Oil Rig workers (Ukrainian roustabouts are flocking to North Dakota for jobs, to send money back home to their needy families). And Air Traffic Controllers - 20% of those jobs are vacant. That's why there are so many mid-air near misses the past year or so. Ironic question - if the media is going to give Biden credit for the $170,000 UPS contract, should he also get the credit for all the unfilled air traffic controller jobs? Yahoo possibly needs to think more consistently about economic questions like these, no?

I cannot say for sure that my UPS driver earns more than my doctor. But she (the doctor) gives every indication of penury. Drives a Toyota Corolla (not the costlier hybrid Prius), and shops at Winn Dixie for groceries like me – not Whole Foods. Possibly her student loans are implicated in her desultory lifestyle choices? She seems okay with it, though.

I KNOW for sure my last attorney makes less than a UPS driver. His other case (in addition to helping me sue my insurance company after my car was stolen) was as a court appointed attorney defending some carjacker. It's funny because it's true. His zone is apparently grand theft auto and vehicular manslaughter.

Back to the UPS drivers. That $170,000 figure isn't just salary of course. It's evidently $120,000 base wage and about $50,000 in health benefits and retirement contributions. But still . . . if I had $50,000 in health care coverage at no expense to me, I probably could pick a more upscale HMO, no?

Yellow Freight - America's oldest trucking company, age 99 - filed for bankruptcy over the weekend. 30,000 union drivers hit the bricks, just like that. Teamsters. On Tuesday, the Teamsters win their whopping $170,000 contract with UPS. When god shuts one door, he opens another, eh? Bonus factor – most UPS deliveries are local, not long haul, like Yellow Freight. Aspiring UPS drivers are probably asking - can I use weed or is there some drug test involved? We're about to find out, I guess. All the stoners in my neighborhood swear pot is less dangerous than liquor, and that they're high (on pot, not booze) all the time when they make a run to the vape shop.

When you ask someone "what's your job" these days (teacher, nurse, police officer, coder) their salaries fall in a certain range. Begin at $35,000, mid-point $50,000, and a few up around $75,000. If you're an imported coder from India or Pakistan, you'll be at the lower end. Same thing if you're an immigrant nurse from the Philippines or . . . Ireland [!!!!] You may get your nursing degree for “free” in some countries, but you spend a lifetime paying your government back through substandard NHS wages. Doctors in England (beginners) went on strike a couple of years ago. They were getting about $22,000 a year. But these ladies and gentlemen WERE fresh out of med school, and presumably overworked and not yet informed about their importance to society.

I thought there used to be a song with the lyrics (or title) “Don't marry a truck drivin' man . . .” Couldn't find it. Google has a list of “100 top truck driving songs”. Yeah . . THAT many. Those written from the male point of view are clustered around variations of “white line fever”. Those written from women's perspective are full of heartbreak over their husband's cheating ways. Trucker culture heavily overlaps with country music - reason enough not to marry a trucker, for some of us. I'm not saying UPS drivers listen to C&W as their vans creep from door to door, though. I've heard some pretty bouncy stuff coming from inside. And some pretty despicable, violent, hatin'-on-women-rap.

I'm not hatin' on UPS drivers. I'm simply adjusting my expectations in 21st century America. Do I want to marry a teacher, a policeman, a coder . . . or a UPS driver? But then, what would we talk about after making uh-uhs?

I'm just sayin' . . .
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Graylight · 51-55, F
UPS drivers' salaries can be as low as $11,411; the majority of salaries within the Ups Road Driver jobs category currently range between $64,800 (25th percentile) to $116,700 (75th percentile) with top earners (90th percentile) making $140,040 annually in California. The average driver makes about $21 an hour.

However, the average doctor's salary in USA is $294,000 per year. The high end, which is what you pointed out, can be more than $600.000 annually. So, no.

Also, the salary includes benefits. That's estimated to be worth $50K of that salary.

And let's look at the cost of living, shall we? In Florida (once a cheap state), the estimated cost of living for a family of four stands at $82,998 for 2022, lower than the national average and the 25th highest among states.

So it's really not the sweetheart deal you paint it to be. Keep in mind they haul all our packages, all kinds of weight in all kinds of conditions with no AC in many cases. They've come to my door at 10pm during busy seasons. They earn their pay and if we want work done well we have to be willing to pay for it. They're not a government agency, they're not the USPS; they can make a profit and build a company as they see fit.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Graylight thanks. nowhere in my post did i discuss "average" doctors or lawyers. i was careful and specific to discuss the ones i come into contact with. Not brain surgeons, heart surgeons, etc. A general practitioner working for an HMO doesn't earn even half of that $290,000. That's why they call it an average. see the link below.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=what+is+an+average&form=ANNTH1&refig=ad9b65b1cd614e2583eb173eef7356c3
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SusanInFlorida No, you didn't. That's why missing context was provided you.

You are aware, right, there are different salaries for different doctors at different stages of their careers? We don't talk about account managers like they're making the same wage as when they started in '92.
Northwest · M
Do I want to marry a teacher, a policeman, a coder . . . or a UPS driver?

Why not applying for a job yourself?

The $170K per year in pay and benefits, may seem too much, if you don't apply any critical thinking. In reality, full time UPS drivers, committing to a 5-year contract, were already making $145K per year in pay and benefits. The new contracts gives them $170K per year, at the END of a 5-years contract, in pay and benefits. That's a reasonable increase, even with a relatively moderate inflation, over 5 years.

Hourly pay, for part-time drivers, will be raised to $21 per hour, a couple of bucks lower than what gas stations attendants, a few bocks down the street, are making. Or about $4 lower than entry level baristas.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Northwest I lack the ability to lift a 40 pound parcel, personally. Also, I'm hearing impaired. Not totally deaf though. I can legally drive a personal car, but am uninsurable for commercial vehicles.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SusanInFlorida Oh, well I guess they're a premium service for you, then. They do all the heavy lifting so you don't have to.
Northwest · M
@SusanInFlorida Good news then, you can train for a lower paying job, such as doctor or lawyer. Seriously though, that part of your post is fiction. Doctors and lawyers do not earn less than UPS drivers.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Contrary to what "they" say, union jobs rock! Great pay for a day's work. Pay, benefits and working conditions are best when negotiated.
Northwest · M
@SusanInFlorida
It's not as easy to hire someone under an H1B job visa as people imagine. You usually have to "post" the job for 90 days, and then either reject the applicants or show that no one applied. some companies manage keeping applicants to a minimum by posting the opening on a corkboard on a dead end hallway (for real).

I've hired plenty of H1-B applicants, and the process is very easy, if you're actually doing it, as opposed to reading about on Wikipedia.

The annual H1-B quota is used up within days of its allocation.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Northwest why do i not believe you? You're online in this forum 24/7, stalking people. I don't believe you even have a job, let alone are responsible hiring anyone else.
Northwest · M
@SusanInFlorida
why do i not believe you?

Because you have no clue what the real world is like.

You're online in this forum 24/7, stalking people.

In other words, you're pissed off because I'm calling out your bullshit.

I don't believe you even have a job, let alone are responsible hiring anyone else.

Don't mix up your uneventful life with mine. 🤣 here's a hint for you: google how long it take before the H1-B Visa allocation is used up. That should clear up a few things. Better yet, do a quick google of a topic, before you post it. 10 out 10, you're going ro discover your conclusions are 100% wrong.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Northwest if you continue your ad-hominem attacks full of obscenities, i will block you. Final warning.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
Well I will say that I receive a lot of benefit from ups drivers doing their job. Not just saving me a trip to the store but all the goods they deliver to stores. They don't earn as much somebody that can throw a ball into a metal room ring or a small ball with a wooden stick.

They do earn a lot more than teachers...and that kinda sad.
Firms can hire all the talent they need from the entire world, thanx to your fascist Visa program called legal immigration.
Americans fill the jobs they are suited for. Idiots.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Roundandroundwego It's not as easy to hire someone under an H1B job visa as people imagine. You usually have to "post" the job for 90 days, and then either reject the applicants or show that no one applied. some companies manage keeping applicants to a minimum by posting the opening on a corkboard on a dead end hallway (for real).

exceptions are entertainment jobs. If you want to hire a baseball player from the Dominican Republic or a soccer player from Argentina (Messi) there's an expedited process.
@SusanInFlorida ballet dancers and football stars know no delays and no frustration. It's their world. The closed borders facing the rest of us are certainly deserved. Prison is what you get when you accept this.

 
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