The Suella Braverman/Rwanda abomination.

room101 · 2023-07-01T11:13:54-05:00

Politics - The Suella Braverman/Rwanda abomination.... (74 replies).

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1674524653539282945

It’s been almost four years since I left the UK and, despite being a bit of a politics junkie, I sometimes find it rather difficult to follow UK political news. Especially when a particular issue floods the media for a while, then completely vanishes, then comes back again in a flurry of media attention. So, I’m appealing to any and all politically savvy Brits on this site to help me out. Yes, I’m looking at you @Burnley123.

It's about the Suella Braverman/Rwanda abomination.

To our American friends that don’t know, Suella Braverman is a member of the Tory Party, is a second-generation immigrant (her parents are both from India, she was born in the UK) and, is the current Home Secretary. As such, one of her key responsibilities is immigration.

The “Rwanda abomination” that I refer to was first put forward in April 2022 by the then Home Secretary, Priti Patel. Who, yet again, is a second-generation immigrant of Indian descent (ie born in the UK but both her parents are from India, this time via Uganda).

A deal was made with the Rwanda government whereby illegal immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees that had made their way into the UK, would be deported to Rwanda for processing, asylum and settlement. IF THEY QUALIFY. Qualify what exactly?

Rwanda, the country that had one of the worst genocides in modern history as recently as 1994. Rwanda, a country with a 45% poverty rate and an average life expectancy of 65.

So what is it that I need help with, I hear you ask.

No, it’s not; WTF is wrong with two successive Home Secretaries that are of Indian descent, are the offspring of immigrants, and have zero compassion and understanding about the plight of the people that could very well have been their bloody parents!

My question is this; have the Tories provided any kind of information to the general voting public which shows exactly what provisions have been put in place for the people that will be dumped in Rwanda?

Because these people have already been classified as “Illegals”, it is more than likely that they are currently languishing in various deportation centres. Which, in turn, means that they will arrive in Rwanda with nothing more than the clothes on their backs.

How the hell will these poor souls survive?
Is the British public aware?

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

No, it’s not; WTF is wrong with two successive Home Secretaries that are of Indian descent, are the offspring of immigrants, and have zero compassion and understanding about the plight of the people that could very well have been their bloody parents!

From a moral point of view: This is brazen hypocrisy and shows a complete lack of compassion and also a lack of solidarity with people who were in the same situation as your parents.

It only makes sense from the point of self-interest. As the British establishment cleaves further to the right on 'culture-war' issues, it needs politicians who are prepared to do nasty things. The Tories have no solutions to people's economic problems so their strategy is to double down on immigrant bashing in the hope that they can retain the loyalty of 'red-wall' voters. (northern working or lower-middle-class people who supported Brexit and voted Conservative in 2019).

To look 'serious about immigration' and 'populist,' the Tories need to go further before and break with international norms and international law. They don't actually want to reduce the immigration of skilled workers that the economy needs and their donors want so then they are left with beating down on the poor and the needy: People fleeing famines and war zones. This is nasty and (in?)arguably racist but they don't want to look that nasty or racist so they need a fig leaf.

This is where Braverman comes in. Her party and its supporters 'can't be racist' if this abhorrent policy is implemented by a person of colour. Braverman gets to be Home Secretary and have her family join the top tier of the British establishment whilst pulling up the drawbridge and stamping on the heads of others. Her party and its supporters get the cover of her identity.

My question is this; have the Tories provided any kind of information to the general voting public which shows exactly what provisions have been put in place for the people that will be dumped in Rwanda?

I doubt very much that they have. The policy is almost certainly in breach of international law so they will want to avoid details for that reason. Also, the whole point of this policy is that it is aimed at impressing people who don't care about the plight of refugees and don't see that as equal humans.

Thanks for the call-out btw.

Rhode57 · 56-60, M

@Burnley123 You make alot of good points but my arguments are still valid . Its got nothing to do with racism . Its got everything to do with uncontrolled immigration and vetting those coming in unless your ok with welcoming those fleeing justice in their own countries or those scared of being called called to fight for their countries etc . Immigration cant go on unabbatted . Letting every tom dick and harry in unchecked and unvetted unless your ok inviting the worlds criminals into the uk .

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Rhode57 The way to deal with refugees (which is what this is about) is to process them in the country they arrive in. If their asylum claim is seen as valid (fleeing war or political persecution etc) then they stay. If its not, the are deported.

This policy is a cynical attempt to bypass that whole process and dump asylum seekers somewhere else. Its criminalising refugees.

Rhode57 · 56-60, M

@Burnley123 If their genuine refugees then fine but most are not hence why they take the illegal route . They can claim assylum at any british consulate in europe so why dont they ?Because they know they will be refused so take the illegal route . They have also passed through many safe european countries why havnt they claimed assylum there for the same reason so once again my argument is still valid .

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Rhode57 Sigh. 'Illegal' immigrants are people who stay in Britain but don't claim asylum or stay after their claim has been rejected. This policy is aimed at topping people trying to claim asylum legally.

room101 · 51-55, M

@Burnley123 Thank you mate. I knew that I could rely on you to tell it as it is.

Rhode57 · 56-60, M

@Burnley123 Yes but alot as the government have admitted dont claim assylum they just disappear and are often only found when immigration and the police etc raid foreign owned takeaways etc and find them working illegally .