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"Cultural Marxism"

The Right uses “Marxism” to describe everything from LGBTQ rights to corporate diversity measures. It’s a deeply confused definition. But it’s not wrong about one thing: Marxists do indeed want to dismantle all forms of oppression.

The American right’s long tradition of red-baiting has always involved branding any kind of efforts at progressive social change, from the mild liberal variety to the genuinely radical, as socialist or communist. One of the most conspiratorial forms of this idea — with roots in the Nazis’ antisemitic theory of “Judeo-Bolshevism” — goes under the name “cultural Marxism.” That’s the theory that Jewish leftists fleeing Nazi Germany, including Frankfurt School theorists, plotted to subtly indoctrinate Americans in Marxist ideology, which they intentionally and surreptitiously rebranded in less-scary “cultural” forms like feminism and black liberation.

In other words, radical Jewish immigrant professors are behind all the movements for greater civil rights and social equality, which are actually a secret vehicle for the imposition of Soviet-style communism in the United States. There’s no evidence to back up this conspiracy theory, but that hasn’t interfered with its staying power. The cultural Marxist is just too attractive to the Right, tying together many of its favorite bogeymen into a neat story. The theory might not possess the mythology of the QAnon universe, but its utility for right-wing ideologues has kept it in play for the better part of a century.
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do people really think that Nazis thought all Jews were cultural Marxists and that this is why we had to be destroyed? That's soo stupid...it was an excuse, and they mostly didn't believe it themselves. Arguing that being against cultural Marxism is somehow antisemitic is a lie because it's based on a lie that is based on another lie 🙄 the truth, however, is that Marxism IS antisemitic because it didn't want Jews to be Jewish and sought our perceived emancipation from the Jewish religion and identity. You should read "on the Jewish question" by Marx...you'll see he was an antisemite
Gloomy · F
@SW-User [quote] The Jew … must cease to be a Jew if he will not allow himself to be hindered by
his law from fulfilling his duties to the State and his fellow-citizens. (Bruno Bauer,
Die Judenfrage) [/quote]

This is a quote from "The Jewish question" by the antisemite Bruno Bauer to which Marx responded in "On the jewish question"

[quote] The Jews (like the Christians) are fully politically emancipated in various states.
Both Jews and Christians are far from being humanly emancipated. Hence there
must be a difference between political and human emancipation. (Marx and
Engels, The Holy Family) [/quote]

On the jewish question by Marx on the other hand is more about liberalism and freedom especially religious freedom in secular states. Marx did struggle with his own jewish identity.
Gloomy · F
@SW-User [quote]do people really think that Nazis thought all Jews were cultural Marxists and that this is why we had to be destroyed? That's soo stupid...it was an excuse, and they mostly didn't believe it themselves. Arguing that being against cultural Marxism is somehow antisemitic is a lie because it's based on a lie that is based on another lie[/quote]

Not all Nazis did but it was propaganda spread amongst the public to foster antisemitic hatred.
Building a bogeyman that originated and is based on antisemitic lies has still antisemitic connotations to it but that doesn't make anyone believing in it an antisemite but just people that fall for lies with antisemitic undertones.
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@SW-User [quote]Far left and far right, you are both the same.[/quote]

The difference is that today's Leftists admit that Marx was wrong about race. The Right will either ignore racism or agree with it.
Also, Marx's views on race were normal for their time. People need to be judged in context. The fact that the Right is [b]still[/b] full of Nazis today is inexcusable.
SW-User
@BohemianBoo where do they admit that?

[quote]People need to be judged in context[/quote]

Except when they're on the right, huh? Can Hitler be excused because his views on race were "normal at their time"? 😂 there was only a 40 year period between Marx dying and Hitler writing Mein Kampf, and the views they espouse on Jewish people are practically the same.

Sigh...it's just all the same shit from you, isn't it? Is "but we're not racist, they are racist whaaaa!" really all you've got? Pathetic and disingenuous liars
@SW-User [quote]Except when they're on the right, huh? Can Hitler be excused because his views on race were "normal at their time"?[/quote]

To a degree, yes. However, the Holocaust was extreme even for its time. That's why the Nazis hid what was going on from the average Germans. It's also why the Nazis never had majority support. Most Europeans were racist by today's standards, but they were still against mass murder.

Read Heinrich Himmler's secret Posen Speeches. They show that the Nazis knew they had to keep the Holocaust secret.

[quote]Sigh...it's just all the same shit from you, isn't it? Is "but we're not racist, they are racist whaaaa!" really all you've got? Pathetic and disingenuous liars[/quote]

Bullshit. I already said that Leftists acknowledge that Marx was wrong for his racist views, which were super common at the time. That's why you don't see Leftists still preaching racism. However, the Nazi theory of Cultural Marxism is still doctrine on the Right. Mainstream right-wing figures like Donald Trump and Jordan Peterson are still promoting Nazism in the form of this conspiracy theory.
Gloomy · F
@SW-User [quote]the views they espouse on Jewish people are practically the same.[/quote]

Sure keep ignoring my rebuttal...
this comment is utterly stupid.
SW-User
@Gloomy it isn't a rebuttal though 🤷🏻‍♀️

How are their views any different when they both detested Jews?
Gloomy · F
@SW-User Marx didn't detest jewish people he hated the caricature of jewish people that Bauer reproduced in his essay and analysed their social and material conditions. You clearly don't understand marxism.
Gloomy · F
@SW-User Your source cited for his apparent antisemitism is an essay in which he is defending jewish people holding political rights.
The pieces that are quoted as evidence of antisemitism are where Jews are invoked stereotypically as money dealers and hucksters. He is invoking this ironically and metaphorically to undermine the stereotype, by noting that all Christians are Jews in this sense in a capitalist society. This was an ironic undermining of his opponent, who was arguing the Jews must convert to Christianity.

The antisemitism slander is mere hysteria and defamation.
SW-User
@BohemianBoo that secrecy wasn't really relevant to the countries these horrible acts were taking place in, especially when they had locals assisting them. Nazis did have an interest in hiding their crimes to an extent but they didn't have to from all those who were happy to participate as well. In the Soviet Union, all of it remained secret from the rest of the world, except when mass graves started emerging and people couldn't escape the issue. However, even then, the Holocaust couldn't be openly discussed...not until communism and the state sanctioned antisemitism that came with it was dissolved. Prior to its dissolution, significant antisemitism continued for many years in the Soviet Union. I don't solely mean antisemitic attitudes either, but repeated purges and attacks on Jews. We couldn't openly practice our religion, no one could talk about the Holocaust, and we were treated very badly, especially when not conforming to the communist dictatorship.

You're naive to think the Holocaust was unique. It only is when we consider the numbers and the organization involved...the motivations and justifications for such events were the same, the willingness to commit atrocities would also not differ very much as it could happen with any regime, any leader, and any system that is centered around getting rid of people it dislikes. Also, this isn't just about Hitler as any antisemite or racist could become a murderer overnight in those kind of conditions. Nazis would not have been able to execute so many people without the help of thousands of individuals, who like [b]you[/b] say, just held views common to that time. Pograms had been going on for many years, lots of people were antisemitic and had or were prepared to act on it. Many of those who murdered or helped to murder Jews have names that you will never, ever hear simply because they were "ordinary" people, who like Marx, held shitty opinions on Jews.

I had guessed you'd say that racism and mass murder are different, but not really when you consider what Karl Marx wanted. He wanted "mankind" to be free from Jews and Judaism, or didn't you read that part? It isn't just that he said things that were extremely racist, he advocated a world where Jews no longer had any national or religious identity. If he wanted everyone to dispense with capitalism, and saw Jews as being inherently problematic in this area, then what exactly do you think he favored? Maybe he wouldn't have orchestrated mass murder (not really the point), but at the very least he didn't like Jews, wanted us to relinquish our Jewishness, thought we were horrible capitalists, and did advocate for change to that. His views on Jewish people in respect to capitalism are so similar to Hitler's that you can't really separate them.

To note...the Holocaust had been the most significant Jewish genocide, but twenty years before that Stalin starved millions of people because of the insane collectivization policies he introduced and the fact many individuals wouldn't do what he wanted. Communism has led to so many deaths in so many places, what do you think of that?
SW-User
@Gloomy you really haven't read the work, have you? He doesn't defend Jews, he says that Jews are money obsessed and that this too has spread to Christians and that the God of Israel (i.e Jews) has come to dominate the world. He sees this as being inherently negative and very much relates it to the "problem" of capitalism. His view was that for humanity to be free of capitalism, it had to be free of Jews who practiced it...even going as far as to say Jews made other people capitalist lol. He doesn't disagree with Bauer in any of these areas and that is why this work is a demonstration of his antisemitism.
Gloomy · F
@SW-User You didn't understand it at all 😂 When it comes to Capitalism religions whether christianity or judaism are both equally corrupted and are only liberated in a secular state. You don't understand his work.
Of course free of jews just as free of christians who practice it. Historically jewish people were more prone to be business people because of religious reasons money lending was prohibited among christians or something.

I wrote a detailed analysis for you but you are way too coward and simply unable to respond to that with indepth knowledge you simply lack.
@SW-User [quote]that secrecy wasn't really relevant to the countries these horrible acts were taking place in[/quote]

That's nice, but it's beside the point. The point is that the Holocaust was kept secret from the public because mass murder was seen as wrong at the time.
So while we can excuse the Nazis for the racism that was normal at the time, we can not excuse them for their war crimes.

[quote]You're naive to think the Holocaust was unique.[/quote]

I didn't say the Holocaust was unique. Please respond to me, not things you think I might say.

[quote]Nazis would not have been able to execute so many people without the help of thousands of individuals, who like you say, just held views common to that time. Pograms had been going on for many years, lots of people were antisemitic and had or were prepared to act on it. Many of those who murdered or helped to murder Jews have names that you will never, ever hear simply because they were "ordinary" people, who like Marx, held shitty opinions on Jews.[/quote]

So a few things here. First, racism is a spectrum. There are plenty of people who hold racist views, but would be against things like genocide and imprisonment based on race. It's wrong to equate everyone that had racist ideas on Jews with the people who were directly involved in the Holocaust. Yes, there were thousands of people who participated in the murders, but they were still in the minority when it comes to the belief that these acts were morally acceptable. Again, all of this was kept secret from the general public.
Now that being said, the reason the Nazis gained popularity is because they were publicly saying the kind of racism that was widely acceptable. However, the Nazis never won an election, they never got majority support. It was publicly known that Jews and Gypsies were being put into concentration camps, but by that point, Germany had already become an authoritarian dictatorship, so there wasn't much that the public could do. So it would be unfair to say that the Holocaust happened because of average people who held common racist views.

[quote]It isn't just that he said things that were extremely racist, he advocated a world where Jews no longer had any national or religious identity.[/quote]

He believed that about everyone! He was an Anarchist and anti-religion. If Marx was ONLY against Judaism and the Jews having a country, you could argue that's genocidal talk. But he was against every religion and all nations.

[quote]His views on Jewish people in respect to capitalism are so similar to Hitler's that you can't really separate them.[/quote]

So I agree Marx was wrong for his ideas on Jews, but comparing his views to Nazism is just insane. Marx thought that Capitalism corrupted all people, but because of Jewish culture, it was especially corrupting Jews. Whereas the Nazis thought the Jews were just genetically programmed to be evil. The logical conclusion of Marx's ideas on Jews is really just to fight against Capitalism even harder. The logical conclusion of Nazism is genocide.

[quote]Communism has led to so many deaths in so many places, what do you think of that?[/quote]

Communism is a stateless and classless society. The Soviet Union was not communist. It was an authoritarian dictatorship that used left-wing imagery. Real collectivization requires democracy. What countries like the Soviet Union and East Germany had was State Capitalism.
SW-User
@BohemianBoo are you saying genocide is nice? I know you're being sarcastic and dismissive, but you're talking to someone whose family was murdered in the Holocaust.

To that extent I really don't want to continue this exchange with you, at all. You've missed the point multiple times, you're ignorant, you're a liar, you're an extremist and an authoritarian, and just a general creep and weirdo who should probably be locked in a cage and kept away from people. That you think "real collectivization" could ever have a democratic consensus is testament to how wildly insane and strange you are. A successful communist government will never be implemented, because you will never have a stateless and classless society...not unless you force it and murder lots of people, uh, again 🥴

Stupid, creepy, deranged, sociopathic, pathetic, waste of space, loser is all that you are and will ever be 🖤
@SW-User You didn't address my points because you don't care about reality. You just want to believe in Cultural Marxism.