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"Cultural Marxism"

The Right uses “Marxism” to describe everything from LGBTQ rights to corporate diversity measures. It’s a deeply confused definition. But it’s not wrong about one thing: Marxists do indeed want to dismantle all forms of oppression.

The American right’s long tradition of red-baiting has always involved branding any kind of efforts at progressive social change, from the mild liberal variety to the genuinely radical, as socialist or communist. One of the most conspiratorial forms of this idea — with roots in the Nazis’ antisemitic theory of “Judeo-Bolshevism” — goes under the name “cultural Marxism.” That’s the theory that Jewish leftists fleeing Nazi Germany, including Frankfurt School theorists, plotted to subtly indoctrinate Americans in Marxist ideology, which they intentionally and surreptitiously rebranded in less-scary “cultural” forms like feminism and black liberation.

In other words, radical Jewish immigrant professors are behind all the movements for greater civil rights and social equality, which are actually a secret vehicle for the imposition of Soviet-style communism in the United States. There’s no evidence to back up this conspiracy theory, but that hasn’t interfered with its staying power. The cultural Marxist is just too attractive to the Right, tying together many of its favorite bogeymen into a neat story. The theory might not possess the mythology of the QAnon universe, but its utility for right-wing ideologues has kept it in play for the better part of a century.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Yeah this is a tale as old as Marxism. Turn innocuous social progress measures into an antisemitic conspiracy. What they are instead dealing with is basic social progress under liberalism but because they think gay people are icky it has to be some insane conspiracy.

Marxists are in reality rare, pedantic, and spend way too much time in ludicrous conflict with other leftists and particularly the social justice crowd to seed conspiracy.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
And I'm halfway to a Marxist myself so I speak from experience lmao
SW-User
@CountScrofula Lol that's fair. I'm being labeled "Marxist" left and right here, though I've never personally adopted that label for myself. I'm interested in Marxism and some of my beliefs might be properly labeled Marxist. But I have too seen the leftist infighting, and I've seen "Marxists" turn into socially reactionary "tradcaths" who think trans rights are "bourgeois", so I'm not about pitting leftists against each other.
Gloomy · F
@SW-User @CountScrofula Leftist infighting seems unavoidable and I think its one of our great weaknesses but also strenght because it means we actually think in depth on positions and ways to improve things while the right just whines about human rights and stands united behind hateful and anti-progressive talking points and policies.

I would call myself a marxist but also accept Socialist/Communist or just leftist
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@SW-User Most people who label others as Marxists don't know anything about Marx. Like he influences a TON of stuff and you can crib from his ideas without calling yourself an adherent to his philosophy which is an enormous body of work. I'm not a Marxist (anarcho-syndicalist here), but I dabble, understanding capitalism as a class struggle is fundamental.

@Gloomy Leftist infighting is weird and as old as the left but like... I also get it. One group wants to go organize with apolitical working people, another wants to set up a vanguard party, another group wants to get in street fights with Proud Boys, another group wants to just make the Democrats nicer... just deciding what to do with your day leads to endless goddamn arguments. It's frustrating lol. Let alone the social justice crowd who tend to be extremely liberal in mindset and have ancient conflict with actual leftists. We agree on problems, but not solutions.

And also extremely funny when the right calls out 'cultural Marxism' like every fucking leftist is a unified cabal and our only means of victory is having Disney cast a few more black people. It's absurd.
soberSimplicity · 18-21, T
@CountScrofula @Gloomy @SW-User
Infighting I think is double now a days. Leftists have always had infighting, that much is certain.
I've read many accounts of Marx roasting (yes, roasting is the best word here) many so-called "Leftists" of his time.

However, its very present now, I think thats an unfortunate result of taking up the ideological mantle without the means or associated knowledge. They care more about titles like "Anarcho-Communist" or "Maoist" or upholding a specific doctrine or another, than genuine and actual results, action, or simple states our reality.

I remember this guy who got kind of famous amongst Leftists who was a hardcore Anarcho-Communist. He would rant and rave about Marxists, especially Leninists as one might imagine. Then, one day, after an argument with someone, he apparently decided that Anarcho-Communism was stupid, and became a hardcore Leninist, arguing about how incredible Lenin and Stalin were and how stupid all the anarcho-kiddies are. All in literal days.

I think to people like that, its only an aesthetic. In his case, its obvious since he went from having Anarcho "A"s everywhere to different Soviet symbols all over. Its a fetishization, really. And its unfortunate.

All of this is doubly ironic since Marx warned against and criticized letting simple idealism or loyalty to titles become the point. I, myself, don't really uphold any title specifically. I am a Marxist in so far as I enjoy Marx and agree with him like 90% of the time, but I don't think he is an infallible prophet. I am definitionally a communist. By one definition I am an anarchist, by another Im not. But I don't care, the titles don't matter to me.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@soberSimplicity I'm pretty sure Marx defined leftist infighting he was notoriously querulous and his feud with Bakunin defined a good 160 years of anarchists and Marxists slapping at each other.

Legitimately, my gameplan is I have my politics, I have my beliefs, and I'll work with people who wanna work with me and that can be anyone. But I don't need to find uniform cause with the six other leftists in my region, I can go to regular people because we all have common cause. Frankly I often prefer working with people who have never read a lick of theory because they're interested in practical ideas and not whether or not our committee is supported by dialectic reasoning.
soberSimplicity · 18-21, T
@CountScrofula I won't disagree that he was a big point of importance in so called infighting, but it was happening before then too.

And theory is a complicated topic for me. On the one hand, a lot of people who care about theory just use it for more aesthetics and false arguments. Though on the other hand, very little of those people have actually read theory I find, they only pretend to.
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula Why arent gay people "icky"?Its never been explained why their nasty sexual proclivities are thought to be nice.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@wonkywinky Sounds like your problem. Sometimes we just have to put up with each other. You either engage in a campaign of persecution and elimination like a Nazi or you accept people are who they are and ensure we have equal protections and opportunity.