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"Cultural Marxism"

The Right uses “Marxism” to describe everything from LGBTQ rights to corporate diversity measures. It’s a deeply confused definition. But it’s not wrong about one thing: Marxists do indeed want to dismantle all forms of oppression.

The American right’s long tradition of red-baiting has always involved branding any kind of efforts at progressive social change, from the mild liberal variety to the genuinely radical, as socialist or communist. One of the most conspiratorial forms of this idea — with roots in the Nazis’ antisemitic theory of “Judeo-Bolshevism” — goes under the name “cultural Marxism.” That’s the theory that Jewish leftists fleeing Nazi Germany, including Frankfurt School theorists, plotted to subtly indoctrinate Americans in Marxist ideology, which they intentionally and surreptitiously rebranded in less-scary “cultural” forms like feminism and black liberation.

In other words, radical Jewish immigrant professors are behind all the movements for greater civil rights and social equality, which are actually a secret vehicle for the imposition of Soviet-style communism in the United States. There’s no evidence to back up this conspiracy theory, but that hasn’t interfered with its staying power. The cultural Marxist is just too attractive to the Right, tying together many of its favorite bogeymen into a neat story. The theory might not possess the mythology of the QAnon universe, but its utility for right-wing ideologues has kept it in play for the better part of a century.
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
You guys are going to need a branding change if you have any hope of getting anywhere.

There is a reason why its referred to as "Cultural Marxism"

It's because the term "Marxism" is synonymous with Communism and the Soviet Union.

It's a loaded word and in America means anti American, anti-Capitalism and anti-way of American life.

It's a dead end in the West.

But I repeat myself...
Gloomy · F
@SumKindaMunster [quote]You guys are going to need a branding change if you have any hope of getting anywhere.[/quote]

In Europe it is less stigmatized than in the US.

[quote]There is a reason why its referred to as "Cultural Marxism"[/quote]

Yeah cause apparently the red scare is still effective but has also taken an insane turn given that some Americans freak out over any policy with the word "social" in it.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Gloomy [quote]
In Europe it is less stigmatized than in the US[/quote]

That's cool, but meaningless. Europe looks to the US for leadership regardless of what its politicians or pundits claim.

[quote]Yeah cause apparently the red scare is still effective but has also taken an insane turn given that some Americans freak out over any policy with the word "social" in it.[/quote]

Yep, no disagreement here.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunster I would argue against the point we look at you guys for leadership; foreign politics and defense at most, definitely not internal politics. The systems are fundamentally different and so is the partitioning of the political spectrum, and the general public's alignment on it. The duopolistic nature of your political system leave you with a much narrower range of options, for instance, that leaves out the entire left-of-center portion that we have/had in Europe.

If anything I would say the opposite is true, we had our Trump/MAGA phase in the 90s here.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Elessar Hm, been seeing you around talking about Putin the evil warlord who must be stopped because he could be the next Hitler and if we don't stand up to him in Ukraine he will never stop.

Where do you think those notions came from? Italy? That's American Military propaganda son. You have swallowed it and are repeating it.

Propaganda doesn't have a tag on it that says "Brought to you by the CIA!"
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunsterAmerican geopolitical interests coincide with what I think is necessary/right for Europe on this specific matter; should I still take the Russian side like the tankies do instead, in the name of "America bad"-ism?

Putin (and Xi) are the biggest treat to western democracies, in America just like Europe.

(In any case this is foreign politics, not internal 😋)
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Elessar [quote]should I still take the Russian side like the tankies do instead[/quote]

A sure sign of being propagandized is believing there are only 2 sides to a political issue of immense complexity.

Just because I don't support spending American money and influence on a war in Eastern Europe doesn't mean I think Russia deserves to invade and take over Ukraine.

[quote]Putin (and Xi) are the biggest treat to western democracies[/quote]

I don't agree. I think our biggest enemies are special interests, PACs, NGOs and the political elite who force us to take a side on a war that they started for selfish, greedy purposes and are lying about all the time. Putin and Xi are the biggest enemies for the political elite who want an unipolar world dominated by the America, the West and Western interests.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunster Another sure sign of being propagandized is adding artificial complexity and throwing in unproven conspiracies towards slowing down or halting the efforts of helping a country that is de facto victim of a land-grab from a near wannabe empire with 10x its military capacity. Another sign of being propagandized is ignoring that every single politician and influential person that proclaims to be "pacifist" and "neutral", parrots 1:1 the Russian regime propaganda, and/or is at the center of scandals involving funding or favors from the Kremlin.

Putin and Xi only want to dominate the world with the iron fist like they're used to do at home. It's saddening seeing that a sizable amount of Americans and Europeans have completely forgotten about all the blood spilled by their very own parent, grandparents and grand-grandparents to reclaim our land from the control of similar fascist regimes.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Elessar [quote]Another sure sign of being propagandized is adding artificial complexity and throwing in unproven conspiracies towards slowing down or halting the efforts of helping a country that is de facto victim of a land-grab from a near wannabe empire with 10x its military capacity[/quote]

Am I doing that? What unproven conspiracy theories? Artificial complexity?
[quote]Putin and Xi only want to dominate the world with the iron fist like they're used to do at home.[/quote]

Is that right? So as a thought experiment, let's say Putin takes over Ukraine, and Xi takes over Taiwan. How does your life change, specifically?

[quote]It's saddening seeing that a sizable amount of Americans and Europeans have completely forgotten about all the blood spilled by their very own parent, grandparents and grand-grandparents to reclaim our land from the control of similar fascist regimes.[/quote]

You volunteering? To go to Ukraine and fight? You seem to feel very strongly about this.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunster That there's some secret/untold complex reason that could legitimize Russian invasion of a sovereign land that doesn't want to be "liberated" is purely a conspiracy, unless backed with evidence. "Fog of war, we just don't know yet" isn't evidence, merely speculation, and after one year of conflict this speculation only appears to be more and more unlikely.

Neither far-left tankies nor far-righters who suddenly rediscovered themselves as "pacifists" (and that don't seem to know the difference between peace and surrender) have yet provided a reason to why we (as NATO) shouldn't aid a democracy that is defending itself from an expansionist aggression by an enemy state that has produced only easily-disproven excuses in international forums.

[quote]Is that right? So as a thought experiment, let's say Putin takes over Ukraine, and Xi takes over Taiwan. How does your life change, specifically? [/quote]
Ever heard of international equilibriums? If Ukraine falls to Russia, and/or Taiwan falls to China, the message that passes is that so long as you have nukes with which you can threaten anyone else that may interfere with your expansionist campaigns, you're free to occupy any land that cannot mount a response effective enough to counter you - and trust me you don't really want to live in that world. Ukraine and Taiwan would only be the first of a long series, and ultimately the costs (both in terms of financial costs and human lives) will be much higher.

On top of that, the economy is already all over the place in a very tangible way with a single sector being directly hit (energy, Russia's only significant export), figure what happens if we'll have to inevitably sanction China too. Oh yes, it'll affect my life and your life [b]very [/b]tangibly too, rest assured.

[quote]You volunteering? To go to Ukraine and fight? You seem to feel very strongly about this.[/quote]
This is a weak point, we live in a society built upon specialization and representation; similarly if you feel very strong about politics you're not required to be a politician/candidate prior to voting (or, well, we wouldn't be living in democracies).
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Elessar [quote] That there's some secret/untold complex reason that could legitimize Russian invasion of a sovereign land that doesn't want to be "liberated" is purely a conspiracy, unless backed with evidence. "Fog of war, we just don't know yet" isn't evidence, merely speculation, and after one year of conflict this speculation only appears to be more and more unlikely.
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I don't think you understand the concept:

[quote]The fog of war (German: Nebel des Krieges) is the uncertainty in situational awareness experienced by participants in military operations.[1] The term seeks to capture the uncertainty regarding one's own capability, adversary capability, and adversary intent during an engagement, operation, or campaign. Military forces try to reduce the fog of war through military intelligence and friendly force tracking systems. [/quote]

It merely means that generals sitting in situational rooms looking at troop movements on a table top are missing the incredible amount of unknown things that are unleased the moment you start sending in troops and the military.

It means we have no idea of the implications of what we have set in motion. We have no imbedded journalists there. We are getting our information on this conflict directly from the US Military, disseminated through the MSM.

I'm sure you have seen that Iran is now involved in this conflict. They are sending weapons to Russia and we are retaliating against them for doing so. Think about what would happen if say... Belarus suddenly entered the war and invaded Ukraine from their boarder...that is an example of what I am talking about, the unintended consequences and accepting the risks in going to war.

We aren't seeing that side and that is why I say you are naive on this.

[quote]Ever heard of international equilibriums? If Ukraine falls to Russia, and/or Taiwan falls to China, the message that passes is that so long as you have nukes with which you can threaten anyone else that may interfere with your expansionist campaigns, you're free to occupy any land that cannot mount a response effective enough to counter you - and trust me you don't really want to live in that world. Ukraine and Taiwan would only be the first of a long series, and ultimately the costs (both in terms of financial costs and human lives) will be much higher.
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That's a very biased take. Maybe, maybe not. Again you don't know, nor does anybody. Basically you are promoting the domino theory, if we let this happen then we will be unable to stop x, y and z happening...you don't know that, and neither does anyone else.


[quote]You volunteering? To go to Ukraine and fight? You seem to feel very strongly about this.
This is a weak point, we live in a society built upon specialization and representation; similarly if you feel very strong about politics you're not required to be a politician/candidate prior to voting (or, well, we wouldn't be living in democracies).[/quote]

It's in direct response to this comment:

[quote] It's saddening seeing that a sizable amount of Americans and Europeans have completely forgotten about all the blood spilled by their very own parent, grandparents and grand-grandparents to reclaim our land from the control of similar fascist regimes.[/quote]

If you are going to make that point, that we need to recognize the sacrifices of our ancestors in fighting fascism, then I think my questions are perfectly reasonable.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunster There are unintended consequences also if you allow a hostile wannabe-empire to unilaterally take over a country that signed a memorandum both with their occupant and with you prior disarming itself. For starters, a lot if not the majority of non-NATO countries on this world would likely align with China/Russia as evidently the west isn't bothered helping you upholding the values of democracy and freedom it professes to believe in, unless at most if you're part of a binding agreement.

Belarus is a puppet state to Russia and is governed with the iron fist by a Putin sympathizer that however doesn't really seem to have the support of the population he claims to represent (see also the protests of a few years ago). And I will speculate that's the reason why Belarus hasn't really participated much in the conflict, Lukashenko most probably fears to be sabotaged or even forcefully removed if he sends the troops away. Even if it wasn't, it barely poses a risk, it's just an extension of Russia.

[quote]That's a very biased take. Maybe, maybe not. Again you don't know, nor does anybody.[/quote]
There's literally photographic evidence of maps showing the initial intention to occupy Moldova too, hadn't Ukraine turned out to be much tougher than they expected..

This:
[quote]Putin and Xi only want to dominate the world with the iron fist like they're used to do at home. It's saddening seeing that a sizable amount of Americans and Europeans have completely forgotten about all the blood spilled by their very own parent, grandparents and grand-grandparents to reclaim our land from the control of similar fascist regimes.[/quote]
refers to those who support Putin and Xi at home, or share the respective ideals/beliefs.