Respect personal but not private property

@Ynotisay [quote]But someone's home is considered private property[/quote]

Not if you're not a landlord creating profit just by owning real property.
My definition of working class is actually not very narrow at all. Anyone who doesn't own factories or other property to generate wealth with while not actively working at said company is a worker.
Even people who earn decent or good livings are exploited. Just cause they don't feel like they are doesn't mean that they are not. They just are satisfied with their lives while actually having no control over the value they create.

[quote]Just remember that when you choose your location for your co-op commune, which will fail, you need to have a nearby water source.[/quote]

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@RebelliousSpirit Of course it's private property. That's one of the things that home ownership entails. But out of curiosity, since I"m assuming you don't own a home and rent from a landlord (I sorta' read between the lines), what alternative do you propose? Should you be allowed to live wherever you want for free? What if the landlords, most of whom see razor thin profit margins, if any, outside of the chance that a home appreciates, decide that they don't want to rent their properties. Where would you go then? Either buy a house or live outside seem to be the options.
It's pretty clear you're young. I get it. I understand 'rage against the machine.' But when you start mouthing off about people having no control over the value they create, and dismiss them as somehow being so weak that they're just set up to be manipulated, I think you might need to get a few years of working in under your belt. That is, if you do work. I'm not sure you do.
So maybe you'll be well-served by putting that big brush down and painting people with the same stroke. You're way off base and it diminishes any validity to what it is your promoting. Have a good one.

@Ynotisay [quote]Of course it's private property. That's one of the things that home ownership entails. But out of curiosity, since I"m assuming you don't own a home and rent from a landlord (I sorta' read between the lines), what alternative do you propose?[/quote]

If it is used to generate profits it becomes private property otherwise owning a home would still be a personal property.
I don't own a home or rent I am lucky to live with the family of a friend of mine after being homeless throughout my teen years but I do support them since I also have a job.

What I am promoting is that the money paid should only cover any expenses needed for the apartment and should create no profit for the people renting it. Housing should be a human right and i see no reason why individuals should own so much more living space than they personally need.

[quote]But when you start mouthing off about people having no control over the value they create, and dismiss them as somehow being so weak that they're just set up to be manipulated, I think you might need to get a few years of working in under your belt. That is, if you do work. I'm not sure you do.[/quote]

I do work and it's not mouthing off. It's a simple analysis of the economic situation under capitalism. As a worker you are bound to owners and bosses with little control of the value you create while often earning shitty wages. I'm not saying people are weak but that they don't dare to change things. Why should they if a system that in general is fucked up currently favours them unless one day they might lose their job and then what?
The call for democracy within the economy is not an outrageous one and pointing out that way too many people accept hierarchies is not mouthing off.

@RebelliousSpirit I'm sorry but no. You're incorrect about homes. But you're not in the U.S. so maybe the laws are different where you are. Here, homes are private property. Not personal property.

But let me ask you this. What's the incentive for someone to go out of their own pocket to purchase a home, and then allow strangers to live in it, with nothing in return? Other than the joy of paying property taxes and repairs. Should people just do that to be, uh, nice?

And again, you're painting workers as victims. I work. I'm not a victim. I'm not a slave. I can stay or leave at any time. And my value is represented monetarily. That's how it works. If you bring more to the table you're compensated accordingly. And if you're not then you leave and find a more fair situation.

I run me. You run you. Now the reality looks like you don't pay consistent rent. You're lucky that you have some people that have opened their home to you. That's awesome. Not everyone has that. So what happens when your name is on a lease and if you don't pay on time you're out? Work takes on a very different look then. Do you have kids? Probably not. What happens when you're responsible for others and not just yourself? Again, work takes on a different look.

There isn't one society on earth that represents what it is that you're promoting. "From each according to his abilities?" That's nonsense. It's never taken place outside of, like I said, a commune. And those ALL fail eventually. For valid reasons.

You're looking at the issue through your own lens. And that's fine. As long as you know it bares very little connection to the bigger picture. And the bigger picture is what every society has, and always will, operate from. You've heard of survival of the fittest in the wild? Well, human beings are animals. While we have laws that stop us from killing each other, capitalism is the closest thing we have to survival of the fittest. So my suggestion is to get fit. And the best part is that you don't have to sell your soul to be fit. You do have to apply yourself. If you don't want to that's an option too. But actions have consequences. That's life.

@Ynotisay I'm in the US unfortunately and i'm going by a leftist theory definition of property.

That's it! I'm against the concept of renting in general.

Oh my fuckin god I don't know how to respond to your extremly priviledged outlook on life.

[quote]And again, you're painting workers as victims. I work. I'm not a victim. I'm not a slave. I can stay or leave at any time. And my value is represented monetarily. That's how it works. If you bring more to the table you're compensated accordingly. And if you're not then you leave and find a more fair situation.[/quote]

That's right there is a priviledged position and that you are compensated if you bring more to the table is as false as your take that it's so easy to just switch jobs and find "more fair" situations.

[quote]Work takes on a very different look then. Do you have kids? Probably not. What happens when you're responsible for others and not just yourself? Again, work takes on a different look.[/quote]

Those are no arguments against democratic workplaces and a more just society.
If i were responisble for children work would become even more important and I might even need a second job just to sustain me and my family.

[quote]You've heard of survival of the fittest in the wild?[/quote]

Yes and you bringing it up to prove your point is hilarious since apparently you just like Social Darwinists do not understand Darwin.
The species best at adapting are the fittest, not those that survive fights but those that are able to work together and engage in mutual aid.
You endorsing capitalism is so disgusting. Any social market economy would work better than the system we have to live with in the US.
I'm not even advocating for communes yet and they fail cause capitalism brings out the worst in people leading to competitive thinking and putting profit before people making alternatives impossible.