ISIS Bride: Shamima Begum is back in the news as she has lost the legal case to renew her UK citizenship.
Was it the right decision?
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Seems like a case of making an example of a child soldier for purely political reasons. The UN is also pretty clear on it's stance on making people legally stateless as punishment. UK law also prohibits making someone stateless.
Hell we went through the entire cold war screaming to anyone that listened "we don't do that."
There is also a bunch of he said/ she said about her being an informant for Canadian intelligence but nobody will confirm that. Although if you want to make an example of someone for political show throwing a now useless intelligence asset under a bus is nothing new.
Ultimately people way above her have been using her as a pawn from childhood.
Hell we went through the entire cold war screaming to anyone that listened "we don't do that."
There is also a bunch of he said/ she said about her being an informant for Canadian intelligence but nobody will confirm that. Although if you want to make an example of someone for political show throwing a now useless intelligence asset under a bus is nothing new.
Ultimately people way above her have been using her as a pawn from childhood.
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I think that right and wrong in this case are subjective. Is it a decision that a good proportion of the UK would support, even perhaps a majority? Yes, I believe so. I can see the arguments for having her tried in a British court. I also agree that she is effectively stateless right now. I just don't very much care. Perhaps just arrange for the SAS to put a bullet in her head, then the problem goes away. Her guilt is not in doubt. The allegations of child trafficking involvement are optimistic at best. Being a child in itself is no defence, any more than it is for other children who have committed serious crimes.
I would add that I'd feel exactly the same no matter who we were talking about, had they done the same things. Wouldn't matter if it was Bob Smith from down the road who only ever had British citizenship. If we could abandon him too I'd be all for it.
I would add that I'd feel exactly the same no matter who we were talking about, had they done the same things. Wouldn't matter if it was Bob Smith from down the road who only ever had British citizenship. If we could abandon him too I'd be all for it.
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@TheDeathOCuHullainn You may well have a point. I can't speak for what the government or anyone else would want in that scenario, only what I'd want. I'd want them to be abandoned just the same. Again though, I understand the argument about offloading our problems on someone else.
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@TheDeathOCuHullainn Again, a fair point. The problem with bringing her back is that she will likely face no more than a few years if she is convicted of an offence and then she'll be out. If she is indeed still radicalised then she can use her near celebrity status to radicalise others both in and outside of prison. She can also feasibly go on to commit terrorist acts. Our security services can only do so much to monitor and prevent such things from occurring, even if they know exactly who they are looking for. This has been proven again and again.
So whilst it may indeed be our problem it could be a big problem. It's understandably easier to just leave her where she is, even if it's not necessarily 'right'. This quandary is why I believe a bullet in the head might be the most ideal solution.
So whilst it may indeed be our problem it could be a big problem. It's understandably easier to just leave her where she is, even if it's not necessarily 'right'. This quandary is why I believe a bullet in the head might be the most ideal solution.
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@TheDeathOCuHullainn We had this argument at lunchtime. Yes, she was 15. Yes, she's lost 3 children. Even if she's decided it was wrong, it doesn't make right what she did.
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@TheDeathOCuHullainn True
