Questioning Biden's energy policies ....

@PTCdresser57 I'd say at least 40 years ago, but otherwise, yeah.

It could be 40 OggggO.

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Well .... reflecting on how the Obama/Biden administration set it's heavy footprint in the Kansas aerospace industry with punishing taxes that resulted in the lay-off of tens of thousands of highly trained, highly paid workers for the business jet industries, one has to wonder.

And at a time when Sam Brownback was so popular and had earned at-a-boys from all the hispanic groups for his pushback on HR 4437 (or was it 4432?). That crazy house bill years ago that got pushed to passage by House Democrats, the one where millions of Hispanic Americans took to the streets in protest.

@Heartlander Lol, he didn't lay so much as a single tax on the industry, he closed a loophole on avoiding taxes on corporate jets.

@PTCdresser57 Brilliant! Look to the future and freeze today.

@Strictgram Who is freezing?

@OggggO No one in fall but that will change in winter.

@OggggO

The result was the same, and based on the supposed idea that business jets were a luxury; to all but presidents, vice presidents and other government VIPs who jetted across the US at will and at taxpayer expense.

As I recall, Beechcraft went into bankruptcy, and upwards of 30,000 highly trained and highly paid industry workers were laid off or fired.

But maybe that wasn't the real reason.

@Heartlander Or maybe you're just desperately trying to insert malice where there wasn't any.

Side note, I just looked up H.R. 4437: Want to explain how that's "pushed to passage by Democrats"?

@OggggO @OggggO Ahhhh, you are getting to the heart of the matter. Bad-ass Republicans tried to pass it but didn't have the votes. Democrats however wanted it to pass in hope that it would send Hispanic Americans into an anti-Republican rage. At that time in history, Democrats thought that they owned the Hispanic vote, much like they owned the Black vote. Many Hispanics likewise had considered the Democrats as their avenue to their piece of the American pie. Hispanic political organizations, like LULAC, were seen in the same light as the NAACP, minority subsidiaries of the Democrat party. So to put 4437 into action and send the Hispanics into a rage, enough Democrat house members voted for it and it passed.

But then it backfired. Many of the Hispanic leaders saw it as a betrayal by the Democrat; that the Democrats were far more interested in promoting a race war than they were in bringing America together. Quite a few Hispanic leaders were publicly vocal about the betrayal and those Hispanics that told them to shut-up were tagged as being more beholding to the Democrat party than they were to their Hispanic communities.

And that's where Sam Brownback earned his wings. Sam had denounced 4437 since its inception and publicly supported Kansas's Hispanic communities ... many of which are rooted in the railroad days, but had to fight segregation issues as bad as what blacks had to fight. So between the Racist Republicans and betraying Democrats, Sam Brownback was the only politician to be trusted.

@OggggO The Republicans couldn't pass that bill on their own, so it was passed by both Republican and Democrats. And as such, broke the hold that Democrat thought they had on Hispanic Americans. Democrats didn't kill the bill when they had a chance, they wanted to drag Hispanics into a fight as if it was a fight between Republicans and Hispanics. The classic: Democrats wanted the issue, not a solution. But what it did was to begin the divorce between Hispanic groups and the Democrat party. The pushback by Hispanics was huge, this big:


But it wasn't a protest against Republicans like Democrats had planned, but a protest against Democrats and Republicans, except for Brownback.

@Heartlander Keep spinning.

@OggggO Believe what you wish. But I was there.

The pushbacks crowds across America were far larger than what we saw with BLM. The news didn't sustain because Democrats had fallen into their own trap, and when that happens the media goes looking for other stories to report on.

When Democrats had the opportunity to kill the bill and work towards a solution they didn't. They believed the unresolved contentious issue better served their political agenda than a solution would. They wanted to keep the border issue, immigration related issues in limbo forever rather than serve the best interest of Hispanic and all Americans. Heck, some Democrats who voted for that bill confessed that it was their intention to get Hispanics to rise up against Republicans, and that they knew it wouldn't pass the Senate, and it if did, they would kill it when it came back to the house. They must not have thought the people were listening.