Trump was right. We should have pulled out of NATO

@ABCDEF7 Russia started it. Put the blame where it belongs.

@Elessar Your country may not want you to know the truth.

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@ABCDEF7 Sorry bozo, the moment you invade a country and butcher its population you're at fault, there's no mental gymnastic that will justify it. Feel free to post as much Kremlin propaganda as you want, it won't change it.

@Elessar Countries the U.S. has invaded since 1776:

Afghanistan Albania Algeria Angola Argentina
Austria Bolivia Bosnia Burma Cambodia
Chile China Colombia Cuba Dominican Republic
Egypt El Salvador France Germany Greece
Grenada Guam Guatemala Haiti Hawaii
Honduras Hungary India Indonesia Iran
Iraq Italy Japan Korea Kuwait
Laos Lebanon Liberia Libya Macedonia
Mali Mexico Micronesia Morocco Nicaragua
Niger Oman Pakistan Panama Papua New Guinea
Philippines Puerto Rico Russia Samoa Saudi Arabia
Somalia Sudan Syria Tunisia Turkey
Uganda Uruguay Vanuatu Vietnam Virgin Islands
Yemen Yugoslavia Zaire (now Congo)

Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/how-many-countries-has-the-us-invaded

@ABCDEF7 Hear me out, and you might be shocked here: both the U.S. and Russia can be in the wrong 😱 but in this specific case, i.e. the Russian - Ukrainian conflict, it's Russia at fault, not the States, Europe, the Aliens, the Jews, or anything else that is convenient to shift the blame away from Putin

@Elessar It's not shock for me, it can be for you.

I think you have not gone through the video completely that I shared. Attacking in your protection is also considered protecting yourself.

@ABCDEF7 Considering that you've fully turned into whataboutism I have sincere doubts about the fact that it's not shock for you tankies.

Time is the most expensive resource on this planet. If you want me to invest mine into watching something that reeks of low effort propaganda, it better come from a reliable source, not some questionable Indian propaganda channel.


A country, India, that is embodying the stance of "radical centrism" at a foreign policy level - de jure, it portrays itself as "neutral", the facto it's sided with Putin. Anyone who claims to be "neutral" in a dispute between two unequally powerful entities isn't really "neutral", but on the side of the aggressor. No difference than the one who witness crime and pretend it's not happening in order to take a stance.

@Elessar You call a least biased channel a propaganda channel ? Are you ok?

@ABCDEF7 Political alignment bias is one thing, factual reporting bias is another. By your logic anyone who's sitting at the (perceived) "center" of the political spectrum can't be accused of spewing propaganda? Are you ok?

@Elessar Sitting there doesn't justify them.

@ABCDEF7 Exactly, therefore an outlet that sits on the center yet has a rather questionable factual reporting score, in a country that certainly isn't renowed for its freedom of expression and that coincidentally happens to share the same stance as said outlet qualifies as "propaganda channel" in my book.

@Elessar Who says there is no freedom of expression? That is why you are able to hear so much against India & Indians.

@ABCDEF7 I haven't said there's none, I've said the country (or Modi) isn't the best example that comes to mind when discussing freedom of expression. In fact, not coincidentally, the country's leadership and this "outlet" happen to have the same stance on the Ukrainian matter. Therefore, propaganda.

@Elessar If someone agrees with your view point, it's ok. If someone tells different view point which is also not biased, but which does not agrees with your view point, it's propaganda.

This is being biased.

@ABCDEF7 Not really, if an outlet happens to have a questionable factual reporting score and happens to share 1:1 the view of the political force that endorses it, it's propaganda.

Neither whataboutism nor straw-man arguments work against me, sorry.

@Elessar You don't want to cross check the facts shared. If you just want to overlook what facts does that present to yo, just because of someone's rating. Then you do really don't want to change your perspective by learning new thing. It's up to you, if you don't want to learn the truth.

@ABCDEF7 I don't want to waste my time in a propaganda channel. Simple as that. I've already explained several times already my criterion for determining the source you've posted qualifies as propaganda. Continuing to bash your head against the wall I've just erected won't break it, nor will deflection, nor will whataboutism, nor will strawman arguments.

If you're really speaking "the truth", I'm sure you can find a better and more reliable source covering it. If you don't, it means it's not the truth. And considering I'm following the Russian/Ukrainian conflict from quite close, I can tell you with absolute mathematical certainty that what you tankies and Putin bootlickers' in the closet are projecting as "the truth" is the farthest from it.

@Elessar https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/former-national-security-advisor-john-bolton-says-putin-was-waiting-for-trump-to-withdraw-the-united-states-from-nato-in-his-second-term/articleshow/90003007.cms

@ABCDEF7 This only reinforces the suspicion that Trump was a planted Russian asset, doing Putin a favour by essentially dismantling NATO from the inside. So?

@Elessar 😂

@ABCDEF7 That's the gist of your article, you realize right? Guess, someone whose campaign was aided by Russians, planning to withdraw the US from NATO, after doing a great effort obstructing any investigation on his suspicious allegiance, being caught stealing top secret documents and being impeached for having withdrawn Ukraine aids. How does it sound to you?

@Elessar What proof you have about that?

@ABCDEF7 Asked the dude who's trying to sell me the idea that the US is behind Russian imperialism. You believe in happenstances?

@Elessar You don't have anything to support that. It is propaganda, that you are believing. I am surprised you can be that biased to support a propaganda.

@ABCDEF7 Neither you have about the cr#p you're trying to sell me. I've never claimed to have the "truth" on Trump, I've merely pointed out that your source reinforces a suspicion; unlike you who instead claimed to have the "truth" on Russia's imperialist motivations.

Unfortunately another thing you don't have is the intelligence, the maturity or even the critical sense required in order to have a constructive discussion on this matter, in fact you're here acting like an obtuse propaganda pawn that won't listen to anything minus for what his puppet master told them to believe.