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... cause inviting a foreign political leader that says that race mixing will destroy society wasn't enough.
room101 · 51-55, M
Seriously, WTF is wrong with these "people". Every day it feels more and more like Repugs are all certifiably insane.
dale74 · M
@Kwek00

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_and_protests_of_the_2020%E2%80%932022_United_States_racial_unrest
dale74 · M
Way more riots than I even thought there were
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@dale74 "Racial Unrest" doesn't mean "Riot".

From your own wikipedia page:

[quote]By the end of June, at least [b]14.000 people had been arrested at protests.[/b][7][8][9]

[b]Polls have estimated that between 15 million and 26 million people have participated at some point in the demonstrations in the United States, making them the largest protests in United States history.[/b][10][11][12] It was also estimated that between May 26 and August 22, around 93% of protests were "peaceful and nondestructive".[13][14][15] However, arson, vandalism, and looting during the George Floyd protests alone caused approximately $1–2 billion in damages nationally, the highest recorded damage from civil disorder in U.S. history, and surpassing the record set during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[16][17] In protests that involved violence, violence was variously instigated by protesters, counter-protesters, or police, and police sometimes escalated confrontations.[15][18][19][/quote]

So around 14,000 people got arrested, and between 15.000.000 - 26.000.000 people were engaged in this movement. So arrests vs total amount of arrests is less then 1‰. That first sentence that I quoted leads too 3 articles

[quote][b]1. Violent protesters[/b]

So far it looks like many, possibly most, of those arrested for the visible crimes associated with riots — such as property damage, arson or vandalism — are not organised under a prevailing ideology other than anti-police anger.

A smaller group has admitted to using the moment for personal gain through acts like looting.

"There are some who are just ready to see the corruption of the system," Ms Iandiorio said.

"Across the ideological spectrum, individuals will never miss an opportunity to take advantage of a moment.

"But I think it's not fair to call these protests 'extremist events' because the evidence is just not there. The vast majority of this is peaceful protest."[/quote]

The article also goes on talk that some of the violence... cames from far-right wingers. So yeah, I guess they count as "the left" now, because they happened to be on the same place. These people also counted towards the 14.000 mentioned earlier. But hey, I'll grant you that the overwhelming majority of people that got caught doing something they shouldn't be doing (like riotting and violence) will be people that were there for the actual BLM protest that turned violent or saw an opportunity to use violence and loot a store.

[b]SOURCE: [/b]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-28/antifa-boogaloo-extremists-at-us-floyd-protests/12388260

Then there is a Buzzfeed article, who also looked at the people being arrested. They come to the conclussion that it was 11,000.

[b]SOURCE: [/b]https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scottpham/floyd-protests-number-of-police-arrests

And then there is an AP article... but only the headline remains:

[b]SOURCE:[/b] https://apnews.com/article/c51f66bd298157c52520ef56026e4857

But yeah, when you live in a world where protests from group you don't like, all equal riots, then you can't come to other conclussion. It's stupid as fuck Dale, but what is new right?

What would be way more intresting, is a bunch of people that actually researched what happened instead of just pretending that it's all bad. And you know what? There are actually people in the US that measure violence on a national level. Research centers like ACLED who released an article that says this in the conclussion:

[quote][b]AN OVERWHELMINGLY PEACEFUL MOVEMENT[/b]

The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent [i](see map below)[/i]. [b]In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations,6 meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are [u]largely confined to specific blocks[/u], rather than dispersed throughout the city[/b] (CNN, 1 September 2020).

[...]

[b]Despite the media focus on looting and vandalism, however, there is little evidence to suggest that demonstrators have engaged in widespread violence.[/b] In some cases where demonstrations did turn violent, there are reports of agents provocateurs — or infiltrators — instigating the violence. During a demonstration on 27 May in Minneapolis, for example, a man with an umbrella — dubbed the ‘umbrella man’ by the media and later identified as a member of the Hells Angels linked to the Aryan Cowboys, a white supremacist prison and street gang — was seen smashing store windows (Forbes, 30 May 2020; KSTP, 28 July 2020). It was one of the first reports of destructive activity that day, and it “created an atmosphere of hostility and tension” that helped spark an outbreak of looting following initially peaceful protests, according to police investigators, who believe the man “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest” (New York Times, 28 July 2020). In another example on 29 May in Detroit, a number of non-residents reportedly traveled to the city to engage in violent behavior during a demonstration, leading to multiple arrests (MLive, 2 June 2020). [/quote]

And then they talk about people like you Dale:

[quote][b]Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters[/b] [associated with the BLM movement] [b]are trying to incite violence or destroy property”[/b] (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020). This is in line with the Civiqs tracking poll which finds that “net approval for the Black Lives Matter movement peaked back on June 3 [the week following the killing of George Floyd when riots first began to be reported] and has fallen sharply since” (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 29 August 2020).

[b]Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing[/b] (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), [b]such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations[/b] (Business Insider, 11 June 2020; Poynter, 25 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b). This waning support also comes as the Trump administration recently shifted its “law and order” messaging to target local Democratic Party politicians from urban areas, particularly on the campaign trail (NPR, 27 August 2020).[/quote]

[b]SOURCE:[/b] https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

So yeah Dale... get grip.
I guess since we don't have proof about democratic politicians doing this:

[quote][b]You had politicians encouraging the rioting and the limiting you had political appointments and the da department[/b] who wouldn't even charge them with anything more than a misdemeanor.[/quote]

... I'll just assume it didn't happen, or was so niche that it doesn't even make a dent. But feel free to blow anything out proproptions so I can hammer that down too.
Graylight · 51-55, F
They're trying so desperately to make their "trials" reminiscent of the revolutionaries of the 18th century.

But the revolutionaries stood for principles and ideals well laid out and reasoned through. Those ideals held possibility (even deeply flawed as it was) for the inclusion and equality not only of citizens but for anyone else who sought a better life. They laid these principles out after trying to realize them while still under a crown so that future generations would understand, follow and build on the ideals, creating a nation for all.

The insurrectionists stand for what? The right to act badly and outside the parameters and the very laws they march to enforce? The right to depose anyone who didn't garner their approval? The right to flaunt federal law at the doorsteps of their government?

They are pathetic, they are self-serving, they are willing martyrs to a non-cause and history...history is the [i]one [/i]place where the truth will eventually be told.
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
I just Pissed Off A,Trump Fan Today A Badge Of Honor 🤣
Brandon got a deal. Brandon had a good lawyer. I wonder who he ratted on? He plead guilty to inciting other rioters and stealing a Police sheild. Stealing the sheild seems pretty serious to me.
SW-User
OMG that's like some sort of sick performance he's giving.. He's not sorry at all!
Straka got a deal after ratting on other people with him at the Capital on Jan 6th. These are the people the base get sucked in by. People who made it possible to put their "Patriots" in jail. This is MTGs new Con. The fact that the GQP base never vet anyone, anything makes it so easy for the compulsive liars in the Republican Party.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Aside from whatever any of this is about what values traditions and beliefs have we that someone didn't force feed us in the first place?

A brainwashed person criticizing another differently brainwashed person seems like a waste of time.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@SteelHands I don't know what point you are trying to make.

I do wonder if you consider me a brainwashed person, and why?

 
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