Pregnant woman, or pregnant person?

@Pherick Okie. Move along then.

@SW-User I really wish people would, but as your post proves, people love to whine about stuff that doesn't affect them. Makes it so the rest of us have to stand up and ask them nicely to stop their whining.

@Pherick Why don't people stop being upset by the term "pregnant woman", then?

@SW-User No one is upset at that term, the medical community is just expanding their terminology as they always do as we learn more and as times and customs change. To be inclusive rather than exclusive.

@Pherick Wrong. It has been changed by *some* in the medical community because of trans activism, which takes issue with terms like this. For some reason you seem to be under the impression that people just suddenly decide to change previously accepted words/phrases when there is no particular calling for it, which is very naive and ignorant on your part.

@SW-User Are you in the medical community? Or do you speak for the entire medical community? Adaptation of new terms, procedures, and pretty much all medical knowledge takes time and trickles down from various places. For you to act like you somehow have more knowledge or speak for the entire medical community is very naive and ignorant on your part.

@Pherick Repeating what I say to you isn't going to make it valid. One doesn't have to be a member of the medical community to ascertain that the terminology we use should be a correct and accurate reflection of basic medical realities. There are very pertinent reasons for this.

You haven't negated my point that the term "pregnant woman" IS being altered to appease trans activists, so what exactly is your point at this stage? Do you really still think that those in the medical community have taken it upon themselves to deviate from the medically accurate term "pregnant woman" for no reason or because they suddenly felt inclined to do so? They are doing it because it has been instigated by people on the progressive left, more specifically trans activists.

Now, why have they instigated it? Because they are upset with pregnant women being referred to as pregnant women. Given that you previously stated that no one is upset, this may be quite a shock to you.

It is, however, the truth.

@SW-User My point was, and the one you seem to be missing is that unless you are a member of the medical community, I really don't care what you "feel". If the medical community, on their own or because of changing societal norms, decides that the term "pregnant people" is the term they want to use, then all the power to them.

To see whiny people pour out of the woodwork about they don't like it when in reality it affects them not at all, is just amusing to me as the folks who would yell about the "left" being snowflakes when in reality, this seems to turn that right back on them.

I find it interesting that you think medical communities are quaking with fear from progressives and trans communities and somehow being bullied into using this language. I think its more likely small groups are looking to progressive medical groups to make this change and some are.

Again it boggles my mind a bit that a change that has NO effect on anyone is somehow offensive and enough to get conservatives all riled up. They truly are snowflakes :)

You take care.

@Pherick
Your point is that you don't really have a point. In the original post, I say that the term "pregnant person" in replacement of "pregnant woman" has become commonplace, but not that every medical authority is using it. While it appears we are going in that direction, many medical authorities are not yet referring to pregnant women as pregnant people. Regardless of that, you seem to think that just because a group of people in the medical community do something it absolutely must be right and ought not to be questioned, which is absurd when you consider that they are not infallible. Another issue with your argument is your apparent belief that social trends should play a part in medicine. Social trends, especially divisive ones, have no part in medicine.


Irrelevant. I have no interest in reading your commentary on right vs. left. If you want to comment on that, do it elsewhere.


I didn't say they were "quaking with fear" or anything that would lead a rational person to assume that this is my perception. There is a middle ground you know, and you don't have to exaggerate a person's statements to make them sound more extreme and less nuanced than they actually are. I said that this change in terminology has been instigated by trans activists, which is a fact. Some medical authorities and outlets have been pressured into replacing "woman" with "person", or in some cases "man", and this is also a fact. This is likely in large part due to trans activists working within or alongside those medical authorities. Note: anyone can be a trans activist.


I'm assuming it doesn't take much.

@SW-User Come now, can we not resort to personal snarky attacks? That's beneath even you.

I will say again, medical groups, are not suddenly bowing to pressure from trans groups and giving in to their requests to use more gender neutral language unless they truly thought the reasoning was sound and made medical sense. Even then it certainly isn't all medical groups making this change, its just some, change comes slowly, as it should in the medical community. Moving quickly can cost lives.

Your "this is a fact" is just not true, its what you want to believe so to you that makes it fact. You have posted no evidence or sources that backs up anything that you have claimed.

Please post some evidence of your claims and we can continue.

@Pherick You want me to provide evidence that only women can be pregnant? Is that what you'd like evidence of?

@SW-User I would like you to provide evidence that trans groups are forcing medical groups to use gender-neutral language to the detriment of others. Evidence that medical professionals are bowing under pressure and that this somehow is causing harm.

Basically, evidence of what your original statement said was true.

@Pherick So, you're asking for evidence that medical professionals are not changing previously accepted and scientifically correct terminology to appease trans activists? Is there something wrong with you?

This isn't a debate, as it is more akin to a forum post. This means that I'm under no obligation to provide sources. One would think that the reason for this change in terminology would be blatantly apparent, because why else would it have occurred? If trans activists were happy with the term "pregnant woman" being used, then there would be no need to change it and all medical authorities would still be using that term. I am right, and if you have any sense you will know that. Stubbornly asking for evidence of the obvious isn't going to make your position any more correct. Nonetheless, for the sake of indulgence...here's some sources:

[1.] https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-dads-tell-doctors-you-can-be-man-have-baby-n1006906

[2.] https://nypost.com/2021/12/22/transgender-man-who-gave-birth-slams-docs-who-called-him-mom/

[3.] https://metro.co.uk/2017/01/30/doctors-warned-not-to-say-expectant-mothers-in-case-it-offends-transgender-people-6415394/

[4.] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167632/Don-t-call-pregnant-patients-mothers.html

Other articles that are relevant to the subject:

[5.] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/27/trans-lobby-pressure-pushing-young-people-to-transition

[6.] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/08/us/women-gender-aclu-abortion.html

[7.] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/pregnant-people-gender-identity/620031/

@SW-User
The only thing wrong with me is that I demand evidence when someone makes a claim. Crazy huh? Its crazy to think I might want some evidence to back up your outlandish claims. You posted quite a few sources there, and after checking them, of course none of them prove anything even remotely like you are claiming.

Number 5 could come the closest, it refers to an NHS doctor who resigned after stating he thought children were being fast-tracked through the system to gender changes. However other sources talking about the same thing, don't paint it in quite the same light. Even then, that has NOTHING to do with using gender-neutral language in pregnancies.

You came to a forum and made a claim, of course its a debate, the fact you can't see that says much about you. You dislike something and came here to whine about it, making claims that you cannot back up.

Your "know it all attitude" is common on the right its various bigots. Since all you obviously want to do here is make personal attacks and whine, I will say goodbye. You take care.