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Pregnant woman, or pregnant person?

In recent years, it has become normalized to refer to pregnant women as pregnant people. When I was pregnant with my firstborn, I noticed this in various forms of medical literature. Much of it was in articles from legitimate medical sources. This isn't just a trend on social media, it has actually become commonplace to use this term and we as individuals are being encouraged to use it too. The words and expressions that people use are always influenced by the culture around them, and the world that they live in. In the case of the West, that world is now one where authorities, including the most important in delivering information relevant to pregnant women, are deviating from actual medical realities for the sake of ideology. They seek to further an agenda that proclaims to advocate rights and equality when in essence it has nothing to do with that. Women who do not identify as women are in an extreme minority, and they should be treated as such.

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Longleggedlady · 36-40, F

It is HOGWASH HOW MANY PREGNANT MEN HAS ANYBODY SEEN ??????????????????????????

BohemianBabe · M

@Longleggedlady So far, two.

SW-User

@BohemianBabe Only a biological woman can conceive, and that's what they are.

BohemianBabe · M

@SW-User "Woman" is a cultural identity, not a biological category. What you mean is only females can conceive.

SW-User

@BohemianBabe What do you think females are?

BohemianBabe · M

@SW-User A biological sex category. Females are assigned "girl" at birth, but gender is about self-identity, so females can become boys or non-binary.

Turtlepower · 36-40, M

@BohemianBabe literally the dictionary:

wom·an
/ˈwo͝omən/
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noun
an adult female human being.
"a drawing of a young woman"

I'm sorry but gender identity doesn't change language. This is literally insane.

BohemianBabe · M

@Turtlepower

I'm sorry but gender identity doesn't change language. This is literally insane.

If you knew anything about linguistics, you'd know how wrong that is. Definitions change all the time for better utility. The term "girl" used to refer to all children, male and female.
The fact of the matter is that gender and sex are different, so it's more utilitarian to have different labels for each.

Turtlepower · 36-40, M

@BohemianBabe Language includes it already trans woman or trans man describes what they are perfectly clearly. Even non binary is clear. The difference between woman and female is the distinction of human. Now by including non female humans you aren't making it more utilitarian you're making it less clear/distinct.

BohemianBabe · M

@Turtlepower But it's wrong to equate women and females, which is what that definition does. Not all women are females.

Turtlepower · 36-40, M

@BohemianBabe For hundred of years it's been right because gender until recently represents biology and has been an equivalency. Women's suffrage for instance. Women weren't allowed to vote. A male who identified as a woman could have voted. The gender identity movement is trying to change the way society defines something rather than clearly labeling a difference. I'm all for equal rights but trans people aren't the gender they identify as without the word trans.

BohemianBabe · M

@Turtlepower

e gender until recently represents biology and has been an equivalency.

No, gender has pretty much always been about culture. Gender and sex are often used interchangeably, because gender is assigned to people based on sex, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing.

And even if this was a new concept, it would still be more accurate. Wearing a dress is part of woman culture, but it has nothing to do with biology. Also, every society recognizes the science of two sexes, but many societies recognize three genders. The reason for this is because gender is subjective and the gender traits are arbitrary.

Turtlepower · 36-40, M

@BohemianBabe valid argument. It's a recent phenomena that gender and sex have become separated to the point where one part is moving faster than the other. Meaning that a good portion of our social constructs for women are based on sex not gender identity and gender identity should not entitle someone to something intended for the sex.

Extreme example but Mike Tyson wearing a dress, make up, and identifying as a woman should not allow him to box in a woman's league. But to relate it back to this post this is from an article on CNN talking about abortion:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/03/opinions/abortion-rights-win-kansas-filipovic/index.html

And yet that is the position that women and others who can get pregnant

The above is not efficient language and is incorrect even when using inclusive terms as pregnant person or pregnant female is more accurate.

BohemianBabe · M

@Turtlepower

It's a recent phenomena that gender and sex have become separated to the point where one part is moving faster than the other.

I think it's more that society is just acknowledging the differences. It used to be that only sociologists and biologists acknowledged these concepts, since it's what they studied. Whereas now, we're starting to realize that, for example, by dressing baby males in blue and dressing baby females in pink, we're assigning gender to people who, at that moment, have none.

Extreme example but Mike Tyson wearing a dress, make up, and identifying as a woman should not allow him to box in a woman's league.

Well, it depends. Lots of sports leagues have rules where trans women can't compete against cis women unless they've been on hormones for a long enough time that they no longer have an advantage. That's why no trans women have won gold in the Olympics yet.
But yeah, if Tyson just came out as trans tomorrow, I'd acknowledge him as a woman, but I'd say he shouldn't be allowed to box against cis women.

Turtlepower · 36-40, M

@BohemianBabe The incorrect part is by saying women rather than some women because to me that implies all women and then an extra group. Simply stating pregnant people is way more efficient at that point. I'm not trying to be pedantic here but if you read the article and the tone it's about females or people that can get pregnant but the author uses women clearly referring to cis women for most of the article. Either way, I think gender stereotypes are wrong. What we used to call tomboys aren't trans men perse they just didn't need conform to societal norms. My wife hates "girly stuff" but still identifies as a woman. I find and take issue with equating it to wearing a dress (I know that was your version of Mike Tyson to simplify the conversation). I guess I see this movement/change taking away from biological females. I have no problem with trans people etc. Anyways I'll let it go. Appreciate the non aggressive discussion.

BohemianBabe · M

@Turtlepower Yeah, that's why I prefer terms like "pregnant people" or "child-bearing people."

Either way, I think gender stereotypes are wrong. What we used to call tomboys aren't trans men perse they just didn't need conform to societal norms. My wife hates "girly stuff" but still identifies as a woman.

I totally get that. I think the goal should be a society without gender roles. But for now, the reality is that we're stuck with gender for a while. The best thing we can do is just respect gender identity, use the names that people want, and so on. If someone identifies as a woman, I'm not going to be like, BUT YOU WEAR JEANS!!
I don't think the trans rights movement harms women, but I do hope that at some point we move past gender.