@PiecingBabyFaceTogether we became energy-independent under Trump and had all the tanks and other places to store full. That’s why the price of gas fell so much. They didn’t have anywhere else to store the oil. Now Biden is making sure we get oil from other countries. No loyalty to our companies and workers.
@Ozymandiaz Israel Saudi and iran All want to dominate the region Merely political It has nothing to do with religion Although religion is the facade for it
@Ozymandiaz Which attacks. Israel and SA are allies but they don't exactly get too public about it. Why do you think Biden visited SA right after Israel.
@SW-User As long as they need Saudi's government. After that, everything can go down in SA in only a few years.
The thing is, all these Arab countries have this illusion that they are thriving and are independent, but the reality is that they're all puppets, and their governments will be around for as long as the west allows it.
@LookingForTheSummer “ The thing is, all these Arab countries have this illusion that they are thriving, but the reality is that they're all puppets”
It is not an illusion some are actually thriving in many aspects. And excelling in fields where they are ahead of the west in some areas. As for the the Arab leaders being “puppets “ that is unfortunately a reality that even the citizens of those Arab countries are aware of. In the end politics is a corrupt game and every government will do what it takes for its advantage.
In this context tho Biden is the one that made a laughing stock of himself by making big statements against sa then embarrassing himself by begging for oil
@LookingForTheSummer If they have the royalty system they are connected to other royals. They aren’t so independent. And besides it was England that drew up their national boundaries so they could come in and control. Before that it was just called Arabia and there was a lot of tribal fighting. That’s basically the backstory of Lawrence of Arabia, get the tribes to make peace that way and then go in.
@cherokeepatti The British never managed to take over what’s now known as SA Although they did control the surrounding areas such as yemen oman Kuwait etc And the British weren’t the ones who found peace in Sa either Although Britain did support Sa to become sa and abdulaziz to become king. But you are correct the west did a smart job of dividing the Arabs.
It’s a smart traditional method called divide and conquer
@Moon3624 the British went after Iran and did some horrible things to the country. Caused a famine with nearly 10 million people dying. You probably won’t hear about that in history classes. I have a book about it. Brought in opium that was grown in India and in a stealth way went around to rural areas where people were simple and told them if they smoked the samples and saved the ash they’d trade them sugar to sweeten the tea that they loved and grew in Iran (there was a sugar shortage though). Got a good segment of the population hooked on drugs that way. Someone told me about it and I argued with them and then read the story in National Geographic. Something else that wasn’t taught in school. They did other dirty things to Iran too and then got the USA to help stage a coup in the 50’s when they had a beloved and moderate leader, overthrew him and installed the Shah. All to get their grubs on their oil
@Moon3624 Iraq was also "thriving" under Saddam. And where is Iraq now?
What I mean is that as long as the west has so much power over these Middle Eastern governments, nothing will be certain and remains stable in those countries.
@LookingForTheSummer Usa indeed destroyed iraq completely because that is what usa does to other countries. So I have nothing to disagree with with you. But you also have no guarantee what iraq will be like in 100 years from now.
“ What I mean is that as long as the west has so much power over these Middle Eastern governments, nothing will be certain and remains stable in those countries.”
Idk why I was reminded of this quote :
“ , nothing will be certain and remains stable in those countries.”
There is no such thing as certain Not even in the usa Otherwise oil prices would have remained stable. Actually saudi was more efficient in handling covid and more stable when it came to providing citizens with comfort during the sudden outbreak of covid than usa to its citizens.
I don’t think we live in a world of certainty or stability as a whole
@Moon3624 [quote]But you also have no guarantee what Iraq will be like in 100 years from now.[/quote]
I want nothing but the best for the people of Iraq, but unfortunately, I can't see a good future for that country.
And that quote was bold. But we have seen what they actually do to those countries when things are not the way they want them to be. For now, they need that oil and peace. But we don't know about the future.
Ironically speaking Britain did try to look for oil in sa But found none and said there is not even a drop of oil and left Then americen geologists came and found it with the help of expert Bedouins who knew the land well 😂(the American geologist who found it is called Max Steineke) Steineke Hall, a guest house in the Saudi Aramco Residential Camp in Dhahran, was named in honor of Max Steineke.
There was a time where the west wasn’t in power and it was the other way around In reality no one can say what is in store in 100 years or 1000 years.
“I want nothing but the best for the people of Iraq, but unfortunately, I can't see a good future for that country. “
That is your opinion. But I choose to have a more optimistic opinion. The country’s leaders change , the name might even change but the fact that iraq is filled with rich history will never change. It had its golden ages where it was ahead of the west. It has a legacy and can restore it If the next generation work towards that goal. There is no such thing as guarantee Or certainty There is only a world that keeps on changing and we are the audience. In the end we ( civilians ) are the only puppets who suffer the consequences
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether “ Yes but you are using SA oil so it runs out first and then you decide to give them from your reserve or not. It's a power game”
Sounds smart but Saudi did realize that. hence why during king Salman reign saudi Created tax system Raised oil money in its land And cut back on spending oil money And created vision 2030 to make its economy less and less dependent on oil Although the idea that oil in Saudi would run out is faulted and won’t happen in a long time.
@cherokeepatti “ It also keeps the royalty financed and in power.” Never thought of it that way. But citizens get free healthcare and free education Including university and uni students get monthly allowance No homeless people allowed Etc So the gov does spend in the sake of its citizens in return
