Ending Roe Is Institutional Suicide for Supreme Court

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The Supreme court should be abolished, it's outlived it's usefulness and now has usurped it's constitutional role and overreached it's authority and as such as an institution should be dismantled at this point. There's no reason for it to even exist because it's no longer doing the job the framers intended it to do

forget PACKING the court, ABOLISH THE COURT. it should be eliminated from existence for what it did today.

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MistyCee

Respectfully, I don't think abolishing the Surpreme Court without a plan on place to replace it is a good idea.

The legitimacy of the modern court depends on its capacity to protect the vulnerable by limiting how the majority can infringe on basic rights to liberty and equality.

This, IMO, is a very myopic view of the role of the Court, and while I'm not totally opposed to restructuring the Consititution or the three branches of Federal Government it establishes, half assedly deciding to get rid of one of them without replacing the entire structure with a better one seems like lunacy.

Congress can't handle the load, and I'll be damned if I want the Executive doing it.

I share your frustration at what the Court has done, and your concerns about where it's going, but burning down the house, before we figure out how to replace it, doesnt seem like a viable option.

And, to be clear, my opinion about "draining the swamp" before planning on what to fill it in with, has nothing to do with how well it will sell or whether it could be accomplished politically.

I f-cking like government, even bad government, as opposed to anarchy. Call me a Conservative or a fan of civilization, or whatever, but I prefer to not return to a state of nature.

PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@MistyCee I've come to the view that unfortunately in this case the state of nature is far more just than the court. Anarchy would be an upgrade over this court.

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when supreme court over reach has become insufferable the way it is I'm less afraid of anarchy than I am its continued existence.

MistyCee

@PDXNative1986 You most likely have fewer dependants than I do, or maybe have less humility, or both.

Btw, great clip.

PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@MistyCee Hence the reason i'm concerned as I literally have a vested interest in keeping it that way, I'd ssooner blow my brains out than even consider having kids, death vs childrearing is not a serious competition, death wins so brutally childrearing never even had a shot at it. Love women but the idea of raising kids with them is a literal nightmare.

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PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@MistyCee [media=https://youtu.be/LBNNbp0Sl-E]

MistyCee

@PDXNative1986 Honestly, it's painful for me to sit through those clips and parse what you're saying, but my guess is, you're you're worried about intruding kids into an unstable Hobbsian "state of nature" kind of world.

I respect that, but I've already had kids and honestly can't stop them if they choose to have more children. But I can push for whatever I can to make the world a better place for my children and my future grandchildren, and I think it's likely a better world with an imperfect government then no government, or one so unstable that it will be no government at all.

I get that im old and don't have the idealism I might have had with less investment in the future of humanity, but , honestly, even when I didn't have kids, I don't know that I would have been as quick to screw shit up because it's not right as you seem to be on this post.

Abolishing the Supreme Court, and just leaving disputes between the other two branches of government to violence or whatever, just doesnt make sense to me.

Anymore than "defunding" or abolishing the police.

PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@MistyCee The truth is this was an extreme example of judicial overreach and judicial activism misty, in this case who took the axe to freedom wasn't the legislature or the presidency but 5 unelected freaks of fucking nature with no regard for anyone or anything for that matter other than thier misguided legal doctorine which stipulates deranged bullshit like the dead hand of the past should govern how we read the constitution today which As much as I'm not really concerned the court will come for for instance our right to marry who we want or contraceptive access the floodgates to the state legislatures doing so have now been opened and will happen. In 1848 Arranaged marriages were the norm and these fucking unelected officials might not bring all that back but none of that matters as the state legislatures will and then of course it will end up right back in the courts.

Yesterday america would have been better off to have had no court capable of overturning roe vs wade...

constitutional originalism is actual madness, and that's what the court shoved on us.

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MistyCee

@PDXNative1986 I'm with you on judicial overreach and activism, but I remember the same criticisms being laid on the Warren and Burger Court, especially with Roe.

What do you propose to place the judiciary with?

Are you even willing to accept a Court without Judicial Review? We surely wouldn't have had Roe without it.

PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@MistyCee That's the irony in such a huge way, these fuckers laid that critiqiue on Warren and now they're overrreaching and engaged in the self same judicial activism they swore to destroy. for what it's worth I liked the warren and burger court as a history student but now it's barf inducing. America is going downhill and the culprit is SCOTUS.

MistyCee

@PDXNative1986 picking a culprit (or scapegoat) is easy, but does abolishing the office of culprits solve the problem?

This really does seem almost as simplistic and misguided as "draining the swamp."

What, of anything, mediates between the legislative and executive branch?

And if it's nothing, are we actually better off?

I really hate the idea of revolting first, and hoping we're better off with whatever happens afterwards.