How would you characterize the pro gun minority?
Who are the people getting us killed?
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Rabid, willfully ignorant and sheepish.
The same people who scream the 2nd Amendment from the hilltops also can't recite the 7th Amendment is their life depended on it.
They're the same people who can quote all the hits from the OT Mosaic law regarding homosexuality but don't follow a single one of the other 613 laws written in the very same book.
People who use firearms as utility tools, for home safety from actual predators, as safety in remote areas....these people don't scare or bother me in the least. They don't scream because they understand the situation and the gravity of it. The understand the place of firearms in the world and they respect it.
It's everyone else who's made it their "club motto" who obfuscates the issue.
The same people who scream the 2nd Amendment from the hilltops also can't recite the 7th Amendment is their life depended on it.
They're the same people who can quote all the hits from the OT Mosaic law regarding homosexuality but don't follow a single one of the other 613 laws written in the very same book.
People who use firearms as utility tools, for home safety from actual predators, as safety in remote areas....these people don't scare or bother me in the least. They don't scream because they understand the situation and the gravity of it. The understand the place of firearms in the world and they respect it.
It's everyone else who's made it their "club motto" who obfuscates the issue.
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Graylight · 51-55, F
@TheRascallyOne BS myth disproven by research. Try again.
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
@Graylight Is what is proven by research?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@TheRascallyOne Start with this.
Myth: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
Fact: Armed citizens rarely successfully intervene to stop an active shooter
While the NRA actively perpetuates this idea that ensuring a fully armed citizenry is the best approach to stopping so-called bad guys before they are able to do too much damage, there is very little evidence suggesting that civilians can effectively serve this role. Armed citizens often lack training for high-stakes situations and can actually make a bad situation worse. A more effective approach to preventing gun deaths is to enact strong laws and policies to help keep guns out of the wrong hands and limit access to highly dangerous weapons of war.
An FBI study of 160 active-shooting incidents from 2000 to 2013 found that only one was stopped by an individual with a valid firearms permit. In contrast, 21 incidents were stopped by unarmed citizens.5
Armed citizens can worsen the outcome of a mass shooting. During the 2011 shooting in Tucson, Arizona, an armed bystander misidentified the perpetrator and almost shot the wrong person.6
Expansive concealed carry permitting laws are linked to an increase in violent crime. A 2017 study by researchers at Stanford University found that, 10 years after enacting these laws, states experienced a 13 percent to 15 percent rise in violent crimes.7
Using a gun for defense during a robbery has no significant benefits. A 2015 analysis by researchers at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health of the National Crime Victimization Survey found that the likelihood of sustaining an injury during a robbery was nearly identical between people who attempted to defend themselves with a gun and those who took no defensive action.8
A gun is more likely to be stolen than used to stop a crime. According to a CAP analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey, guns are nearly twice as likely to be stolen than to be used for self-defense.9
[i]https://www.americanprogress.org/article/myth-vs-fact-debunking-gun-lobbys-favorite-talking-points/
Federal Bureau of Investigation, “A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013,” available at https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents (last accessed October 2017).
The Denver Post, “Armed bystander’s reaction in Ariz. Shootings illustrates complexity of gun debate,” January 15, 2011, available at http://www.denverpost.com/2011/01/15/armed-bystanders-reaction-in-ariz-shootings-illustrates-complexity-of-gun-debate/.
John Donohue, Abhay Aneja and Kyle Weber, “Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime: A Comprehensive Assessment Using Panel Data and a State-Level Synthetic Controls Analysis.” Working Paper 23510 (The National Bureau of Economic Research 2017), available at http://www.nber.org/papers/w23510.
Evan DeFilippis and Devin Hughes, “Gunfight or Flight: New Study Finds No Advantages to Using a Firearm in Self-Defense Situations,” The Trace, July 14, 2015, available at https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-armed-with-reason-hemenway/.
Center for American Progress analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey. While guns were used for self-defense in 85,000 crimes per year from 2010 to 2015, roughly 162,000 guns are stolen each year.[/i]
Myth: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
Fact: Armed citizens rarely successfully intervene to stop an active shooter
While the NRA actively perpetuates this idea that ensuring a fully armed citizenry is the best approach to stopping so-called bad guys before they are able to do too much damage, there is very little evidence suggesting that civilians can effectively serve this role. Armed citizens often lack training for high-stakes situations and can actually make a bad situation worse. A more effective approach to preventing gun deaths is to enact strong laws and policies to help keep guns out of the wrong hands and limit access to highly dangerous weapons of war.
An FBI study of 160 active-shooting incidents from 2000 to 2013 found that only one was stopped by an individual with a valid firearms permit. In contrast, 21 incidents were stopped by unarmed citizens.5
Armed citizens can worsen the outcome of a mass shooting. During the 2011 shooting in Tucson, Arizona, an armed bystander misidentified the perpetrator and almost shot the wrong person.6
Expansive concealed carry permitting laws are linked to an increase in violent crime. A 2017 study by researchers at Stanford University found that, 10 years after enacting these laws, states experienced a 13 percent to 15 percent rise in violent crimes.7
Using a gun for defense during a robbery has no significant benefits. A 2015 analysis by researchers at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health of the National Crime Victimization Survey found that the likelihood of sustaining an injury during a robbery was nearly identical between people who attempted to defend themselves with a gun and those who took no defensive action.8
A gun is more likely to be stolen than used to stop a crime. According to a CAP analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey, guns are nearly twice as likely to be stolen than to be used for self-defense.9
[i]https://www.americanprogress.org/article/myth-vs-fact-debunking-gun-lobbys-favorite-talking-points/
Federal Bureau of Investigation, “A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013,” available at https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents (last accessed October 2017).
The Denver Post, “Armed bystander’s reaction in Ariz. Shootings illustrates complexity of gun debate,” January 15, 2011, available at http://www.denverpost.com/2011/01/15/armed-bystanders-reaction-in-ariz-shootings-illustrates-complexity-of-gun-debate/.
John Donohue, Abhay Aneja and Kyle Weber, “Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime: A Comprehensive Assessment Using Panel Data and a State-Level Synthetic Controls Analysis.” Working Paper 23510 (The National Bureau of Economic Research 2017), available at http://www.nber.org/papers/w23510.
Evan DeFilippis and Devin Hughes, “Gunfight or Flight: New Study Finds No Advantages to Using a Firearm in Self-Defense Situations,” The Trace, July 14, 2015, available at https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-armed-with-reason-hemenway/.
Center for American Progress analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey. While guns were used for self-defense in 85,000 crimes per year from 2010 to 2015, roughly 162,000 guns are stolen each year.[/i]
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
anythingoes477 · M
@TheRascallyOne Bummer you weren't at Sandy hook.
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
@anythingoes477 yes it is
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]How would you characterize the pro gun minority?[/quote]
32% of Americans say they personally own a firearm according to the 2021 National Firearms Survey. This means that more than 81.4 million Americans own guns.
The Small Arms Survey stated that U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms. This amounts to "120.5 firearms for every 100 residents."
I characterize those people as the ones most likely to survive stuff.
Notice that in 100% of each school shooting incident, none of the victims were armed - none.
100% of the school shooting incidents occurred in 'Gun Free' zones.
In the two most recent incidents, the police responded in less than stellar fashion, delaying response, costing more lives.
In 100% of the school shooting incidents, the attacker could have been flagged before the incident, except government regulations prevent sharing that information.
After 100% of school shooting incidents, the anti-crowd flares up and demands more, better, tighter gun controls. They pass additional laws, they close small gun shops for minor clerical errors when registering, some cities abolish guns completely (I don't know how they get around the Constitution) - they throw a gillion dollars at it, only to learn a while later that they never addressed the problem at all - they only grew the bureaucracy and placated anti-gun leftists. All the while the legislators have tight security for themselves with armed personnel 24/7.
It's not a game. Monsters are killing our babies. We can identify the monsters. We COULD confine them for their safety and ours - but we don't. Why? Because that would resolve the problem. Clearly, that's not what our representatives want.
Vote conservative republican in the mid term.
32% of Americans say they personally own a firearm according to the 2021 National Firearms Survey. This means that more than 81.4 million Americans own guns.
The Small Arms Survey stated that U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms. This amounts to "120.5 firearms for every 100 residents."
I characterize those people as the ones most likely to survive stuff.
Notice that in 100% of each school shooting incident, none of the victims were armed - none.
100% of the school shooting incidents occurred in 'Gun Free' zones.
In the two most recent incidents, the police responded in less than stellar fashion, delaying response, costing more lives.
In 100% of the school shooting incidents, the attacker could have been flagged before the incident, except government regulations prevent sharing that information.
After 100% of school shooting incidents, the anti-crowd flares up and demands more, better, tighter gun controls. They pass additional laws, they close small gun shops for minor clerical errors when registering, some cities abolish guns completely (I don't know how they get around the Constitution) - they throw a gillion dollars at it, only to learn a while later that they never addressed the problem at all - they only grew the bureaucracy and placated anti-gun leftists. All the while the legislators have tight security for themselves with armed personnel 24/7.
It's not a game. Monsters are killing our babies. We can identify the monsters. We COULD confine them for their safety and ours - but we don't. Why? Because that would resolve the problem. Clearly, that's not what our representatives want.
Vote conservative republican in the mid term.
ElwoodBlues · M
faithfulhusband · C
SinlessOnslaught · 26-30, M
@faithfulhusband Don't leave SW!!!
BohemianBoo · M
anythingoes477 · M
Let me guess.......the pro gun "minority" came straight off of FOX. ;-)
In fact polling has maintained almost exactly the same 80% in favor of something needs to be done to end dead kids since Sandy Hook. Fun Fact..........80% is why more than just Dems.
In fact polling has maintained almost exactly the same 80% in favor of something needs to be done to end dead kids since Sandy Hook. Fun Fact..........80% is why more than just Dems.
kodiac · 22-25, M
More like pro gun majority.
