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MartinII · 70-79, M
Very interesting. Also interesting that no-one seems willing to accept this. Of course, they would be the first to blame the police in other circumstances.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Graylight I’m not an ijit, as you so elegantly put it. And as I said, people often rush to blame the police in other circumstances, without waiting to evaluate the evidence.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@MartinII Yup, and they're clearly being judged here, too. Just another in the arsenal of "things that aren't really responsible for the big gun shooting using a gun and bullets."
@MartinII Back in the 60s an ex police chief named Klein wrote a book entitled: 'The police. Damned if they do. Damned if thry don't.' The police have to make split second life and death decisions about rapidly developing situations. Then they get second guessed by people who are barely caoable of making the decisions involved in ordering a sandwich in a delicatessen. And who know about as much about the realities of policing as they know about brain surgery.

NoahB · 26-30, M
@Graylight [media=https://youtu.be/kgSl-5QIqGg]
zerofuks2give · 41-45, M
[media=https://youtu.be/DKjSLAUFWSo]@Graylight
JohnRing · 56-60, M
@Graylight they’re trained to wait 40 minutes?
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
Why can’t everyone just wait for the investigation to be completed before making assumptions? One Uvalde County Deputy lost his daughter. A Border Patrol Agent lost his granddaughter. They may be police officers but they’re also human beings. And it wouldn’t be the first time the media took a law enforcement official’s comments out of context as well.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@JesseInTX Boy I wonder who is going to investigate the behaviour of the police
NoahB · 26-30, M
@CountScrofula yeah, unfortunately this is a real "who watches the watchmen?". And police investigations into themselves are infamously lenient
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula @NoahB
The Texas Rangers are leading the investigation. They are routinely brought in to assist smaller departments across Texas who don’t have the funding, manpower or resources to handle something as complex as this. And they also investigate local officers for abuse of authority. I have a few who are very close friends.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
I bet you don't know much about Federal Law Enforcement, now do you.
Because when they show up on scene, they're usually in control.
In this case it just happened to be the US Border Patrol.
As of right now, we don't know the particulars of what happened since it still is an Active Investigation.
What we do know is that Salvador Ramos was a Latino, he may or may not have been in the USA Legally, and that he was bullied because he may or may not have been a MTF Transgender.
But until the complete Facts are known, we simply don't know much other than he killed 19 people with at least 1 AR-15 of the two that he bought along with 375 rounds of 5.56mm ammo.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@Vin53 I wasn't counting his grandmother or himself. If I'm in error there, then I'm in error.
Vin53 · M
So you know enough to make conjecture about whether he was or wasn't a Latino transgender but you don't care enough to do a simple fact check to find out this was the murder of 19 babies and two teachers?

@dakotaviper
Vin53 · M
Also, the feds didn't arrive until an hour into it while local cops sat on their thumbs rather than breach the classroom where the killer actually was.

@dakotaviper
Graylight · 51-55, F
There is no confirmation on the NY Post's illustrious reporting yet. No one knows at all exactly what happened yet.

Everyone does know this. The only thing to blame for the events of that day is the gun in the killer's hand.
NoahB · 26-30, M
@Graylight im not trying to upset you. just pointing out some inconsistencies with your thinking
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@Graylight please, explain to us how you propose to get rid of 300 million+ guns.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@boudinMan We're the only country that thinks it can't be done. And the only one still killing its kids.
There are proximate causes and there are root causes. The fact that mass shootings occur so often in the US, and barely occur anywhere else suggests that we need to address the root causes. Mass shootings are on the rise in the US, although the pandemic put a damper on them:

The majority of gun owners would accept common sense gun control measures, but legislatures never even debate them! Why not??
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
you don't know what happened so those thoughts are premature but we do know that when the shooter entered the school through an unlocked door he entered an unlocked classroom and locked the door behind him, something school staff should have done in the first place to keep him from having easy access to the kids.
Vin53 · M
This is the same as firemen showing up at a fire at an orphanage and watching the building burn down.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Easy to sit on your arse and make judgement
Vin53 · M
Then let's just take stock what is known:

Police respond to a mutha fukn report of shots being fired in an elementary school.

They don't breach the classroom where the shooter is.

19 babies and two teachers are gone. Slaughtered with bullets.

So what should be discerned from those facts despite what position you're sitting in?



@nedkelly
NoahB · 26-30, M
@nedkelly No judgement from me. I don't expect cops to throw themselves in front of bullets.

But it is a prime demonstration of the role police play in protecting people in danger. Which is: Almost zero.

https://deadstate.org/gop-senate-candidate-congress-isnt-there-to-stop-school-shootings-theyre-supposed-to-promote-biblical-values/

I agree that killing is a biblical value.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
Police aren't terribly effective.
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