Should the White House condemn shootings?
I've got my own feelings on this, but the question hit me, and I'm wondering how many SWeeps might disagree.
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@Budwick Yup. It doesn't make sense for him as a politician to go after core beliefs he can't change or even call them out when they aren't to his political advantage.
I'm pretty sure that there's plenty of Trumpist\Republican voters who are primarily interested in malevolence, and desperately need guns as a way to do that.
Politically, instead of picking on the patriot/ant-establishment folks, focussing on the white Supremacy thing makes sense for him.
Flip side of this is Barnette, and folks like her, and I think this is a pretty smart approach.
I'm pretty sure that there's plenty of Trumpist\Republican voters who are primarily interested in malevolence, and desperately need guns as a way to do that.
Politically, instead of picking on the patriot/ant-establishment folks, focussing on the white Supremacy thing makes sense for him.
Flip side of this is Barnette, and folks like her, and I think this is a pretty smart approach.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@MistyCee Guns have always been integral to American life. Remember Burr & Hamilton?
Why should everyone lose their freedoms and liberties just because a couple of nutcases go on a shooting spree?
Why should everyone lose their freedom of speech because a control freak doesn't like what someone is saying?
If people want to be free from the possibility of getting killed in a mass shooting or if they don't want to hear comments that upset their fragile egos they should move to North Korea where they will be free from such nuisances.
Why should everyone lose their freedoms and liberties just because a couple of nutcases go on a shooting spree?
Why should everyone lose their freedom of speech because a control freak doesn't like what someone is saying?
If people want to be free from the possibility of getting killed in a mass shooting or if they don't want to hear comments that upset their fragile egos they should move to North Korea where they will be free from such nuisances.
@Diotrephes What's the connection between the 1st and Second Amendment?
Is it freedom to speak or freedom to kill that's most important?
Btw, I don't actually remember Burr and Hamilton. They were before my time.
Is it freedom to speak or freedom to kill that's most important?
Btw, I don't actually remember Burr and Hamilton. They were before my time.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@Diotrephes
I don't think it's unreasonable to say that most people want to be free from the possibility of getting killed in a mass shooting. They don't need North Korea (lmao) to be free from mass shootings.
You do know many other countries have pretty stable gun control that mass shootings are at like 1 percent level in their country, right? Why should guns be more accessible, and revered in America then say the U.K?
You do realize America is in the minority here? Mexico, Guatemala, and the United States are the only countries who have gone one step further and made gun ownership a constitutional right.
I don't think it's unreasonable to say that most people want to be free from the possibility of getting killed in a mass shooting. They don't need North Korea (lmao) to be free from mass shootings.
You do know many other countries have pretty stable gun control that mass shootings are at like 1 percent level in their country, right? Why should guns be more accessible, and revered in America then say the U.K?
You do realize America is in the minority here? Mexico, Guatemala, and the United States are the only countries who have gone one step further and made gun ownership a constitutional right.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@MistyCee This should get you up to speed =
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr–Hamilton_duel
https://www.britannica.com/event/Burr-Hamilton-duel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr–Hamilton_duel
https://www.britannica.com/event/Burr-Hamilton-duel
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Scribbles It's a complex issue. The right to bear arms involves more than guns. Technically, you can walk around with daggers, swords, and machetes but people would be very nervous seeing that and the Slave Patrol would put a dozen bullets in you because they "feared for their lives."
https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/knives.pdf
So, if I was standing behind you with a 16 inch long dagger on my belt would you be more at ease than if I had a gun in a holster?
People used to buy their kids guns for Christmas presents in the 1950s. If kids grow up being fearful of guns why should they join the army and go to foreign lands and shoot strangers?
https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/knives.pdf
So, if I was standing behind you with a 16 inch long dagger on my belt would you be more at ease than if I had a gun in a holster?
People used to buy their kids guns for Christmas presents in the 1950s. If kids grow up being fearful of guns why should they join the army and go to foreign lands and shoot strangers?
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@Diotrephes lol. I've read about it. I just don't have personal memories.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@Diotrephes I consider it more a question of lethality, so do many countries. Hunting rifles for example might still be allowed during hunting season for example but semi automatics might not be allowed.
Be at ease? Certainly not, I'm almost never at ease around any males no matter what. As for ease around what someone is packing...knives are preferable to guns if I had to choose. Guns make me more nervous.
And everyone I know who has been in real fight would rather face someone with a knife then a gun as well. While, I'm not keen on knife scars, I would agree that my survivability rate and the survivability of bystanders would be higher. Sad to say it, but I've dated a guy who taught me a little bit of what to do if you have a knife or gun pulled on you (He was in a gang) and after being in a real threatening situation, I can recognize that my ability to defend myself unarmed against a knife wielding foe vs a gunwielding foe is greater.
Buying kids guns in the 1950's sure made people keen to join the army in 1960 and 1970, didn't it?
I'd say joining the army is a complex issue and not one that boils down to fear of guns or not. Or whether you owned a gun or not.
Most people don't join the army because they love or feared guns or not. And if a child doesn't own a gun doesn't mean they will be a fearful person. Lol. Owning a gun doesn't make someone brave either. In other countries it doesn't prevent people from joining their armies either. The idea that people join the army because "guns" is asinine.
Respecting the lethality of a weapon out in a public place and taking steps to assure the safety of yourself and others however might be considered common sense. Guns are more lethal. And if I am in a position to be responsible for the safety of others, yeah I don't want people to be packing guns thanks.
Revering guns and their ability to kill and as a tool of violence against others seems to have become just as much a part of that right to bear arms especially for white people.
Whatever, America is a seriously fucked up country. We're leaving first chance we get anyway.
Be at ease? Certainly not, I'm almost never at ease around any males no matter what. As for ease around what someone is packing...knives are preferable to guns if I had to choose. Guns make me more nervous.
And everyone I know who has been in real fight would rather face someone with a knife then a gun as well. While, I'm not keen on knife scars, I would agree that my survivability rate and the survivability of bystanders would be higher. Sad to say it, but I've dated a guy who taught me a little bit of what to do if you have a knife or gun pulled on you (He was in a gang) and after being in a real threatening situation, I can recognize that my ability to defend myself unarmed against a knife wielding foe vs a gunwielding foe is greater.
Buying kids guns in the 1950's sure made people keen to join the army in 1960 and 1970, didn't it?
I'd say joining the army is a complex issue and not one that boils down to fear of guns or not. Or whether you owned a gun or not.
Most people don't join the army because they love or feared guns or not. And if a child doesn't own a gun doesn't mean they will be a fearful person. Lol. Owning a gun doesn't make someone brave either. In other countries it doesn't prevent people from joining their armies either. The idea that people join the army because "guns" is asinine.
Respecting the lethality of a weapon out in a public place and taking steps to assure the safety of yourself and others however might be considered common sense. Guns are more lethal. And if I am in a position to be responsible for the safety of others, yeah I don't want people to be packing guns thanks.
Revering guns and their ability to kill and as a tool of violence against others seems to have become just as much a part of that right to bear arms especially for white people.
Whatever, America is a seriously fucked up country. We're leaving first chance we get anyway.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Scribbles Imagine if 30% of the Ukrainian adults in the cities had a Javelin missile apiece. They would have destroyed the Russian army in less than an hour.
https://www.businessinsider.com/video-ukrainians-with-javelin-take-out-russian-rocket-launcher-2022-5
Right now it would tick me off to no end to get shot but I may change my mind as I get older, especially if I come down with a serious disease. In any case I am against all actions that limit the rights of citizens. I don't have any guns and most definitely would never shoot anyone. So, although someone might shoot me I am against taking his gun from him.
https://www.businessinsider.com/video-ukrainians-with-javelin-take-out-russian-rocket-launcher-2022-5
Right now it would tick me off to no end to get shot but I may change my mind as I get older, especially if I come down with a serious disease. In any case I am against all actions that limit the rights of citizens. I don't have any guns and most definitely would never shoot anyone. So, although someone might shoot me I am against taking his gun from him.