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What next for Ukraine?

Here's my fear for both Ukraine and us in the West. This Sunday on the tv the Ukrainian ambassador to the US viewed the opinion that the war will last till the last Russian soldier has gone not only from the newly gained territory but also the whole of Donbas and Crimea. That means that they're now not only going to fight a war that started way back in 2014 but also that they'll keep the West under a blanket of constant moral chantage. They are the democracy that needs to be saved, as the grand damsel in a fairytale. However, lets not go into that rabbit hole. Realpolitik has been in existence since Cardinal Richelieu supported the protestant side in the Thirty Years War in order to weaken the Habsburg monarchs. Whatever the detail of the Israeli policy towards Ukraine is today, it will for sure be in the interest of the country first. Does one actually need to get the Russian Army reduced to almost nothing in the long run, but rather have the conflict settled with the less death possible and as soon as possible? Remember, the summer months of July and August will favour the Russian armoured columns the most, and furthermore, they consider the battlefield tactical nuclear strike as mere the another artillery option. Obviously Ukraine won't defeat Russia on their own. Will their next step not be trying to directly involve the West in the war? That will mean that the war will only end by either regime change in Moskow, or by the West really taking the crazed bet that the Russians won't use the nuclear option whilst they bomb their army out of Ukraine.
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BlueVeins · 22-25
That means that they're now not only going to fight a war that started way back in 2014 but also that they'll keep the West under a blanket of constant moral chantage. They are the democracy that needs to be saved, as the grand damsel in a fairytale.

Sure, if the Damsel in this movie is fighting off all the bandits singlehandedly & John Walker's role is to give her ammo.

Remember, the summer months of July and August will favour the Russian armoured columns the most, and furthermore, they consider the battlefield tactical nuclear strike as mere the another artillery option.

Don't worry. I'm sure if Putin wanted to commit suicide, one of his troops would lend him a pistol.

Obviously Ukraine won't defeat Russia on their own.

I can't imagine why you or anyone would say that after we just watched Afghanistan of all people crush the US in a war. The US is many, many times more powerful than Russia, and Ukraine is a lot more powerful than Afghanistan. Hell, the extent to which Russia has already scaled back its ambitions proves that this just isn't true.
val70 · 51-55
@BlueVeins If you really like my sentences try reading my books. You offer nothing than slogans. Somehow you have forgotten that it's all about time now, but please lets see how the war goes in the Autumn.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@val70 You're right, it is all about time. The Russian economy is bleeding to death, front-line soldiers are being killed by the thousands. They sure as hell can't hold out forever.
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val70 · 51-55
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val70 · 51-55
@newjaninev2 How about deleted 🤪
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@val70 So much for everything you’ve written here.

Just another russian shill, obviously
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@val70
@newjaninev2 Deleted 🤪

I guess you are only paid by Russia rather than actually are Russian, your behaviour is childish and unbefitting.
val70 · 51-55
@ninalanyon Your opinion yet again. You don't know me and you don't argue with me. Call me a Russian bot and you're deleted. Come at me with only those Ukrainian flags and actually call me childish a second time, and you're deleted. Clear enough? It's called holding onself to the argument.
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val70 · 51-55
@ninalanyon And yet again you call me child. You've been warned. Bye!
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@val70 And yet again you prove me right.
val70 · 51-55
@ninalanyon LOL... try better. You were obviously not a good student.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@val70 Contrariwise, I was quite a good student, good enough to spot a non sequitur when I see one at least. :-)
val70 · 51-55
@ninalanyon Now I won't be mean and say to try spelling checks first. I have dyslexia and know five languages. Don't think that your good enough would be good enough here 😀 Voltaire made the same point too in the past : "We are intelligent beings: intelligent beings cannot have been formed by a crude, blind, insensible being: there is certainly some difference between the ideas of Newton and the dung of a mule. Newton's intelligence, therefore, came from another intelligence.”
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@val70 Voltaire based his syllogism on a faulty premise. But even if Voltaire had been right how is it relevant?
val70 · 51-55
@ninalanyon You're missing the delicious irony. Too bad.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@val70 So now you have descended to scoring debating points?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@val70 yes, Voltaire merely begged the question

He also (just to compound his error) failed to account for Emergent Properties.

Are you familiar with those? If not, I’d be happy to educate you on them 😀
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val70 · 51-55
@newjaninev2 Deleted. Really enjoying this. 🤣
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@val70 Well, I’m sure it serves to at least partially assuage your fear