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What next for Ukraine?

Here's my fear for both Ukraine and us in the West. This Sunday on the tv the Ukrainian ambassador to the US viewed the opinion that the war will last till the last Russian soldier has gone not only from the newly gained territory but also the whole of Donbas and Crimea. That means that they're now not only going to fight a war that started way back in 2014 but also that they'll keep the West under a blanket of constant moral chantage. They are the democracy that needs to be saved, as the grand damsel in a fairytale. However, lets not go into that rabbit hole. Realpolitik has been in existence since Cardinal Richelieu supported the protestant side in the Thirty Years War in order to weaken the Habsburg monarchs. Whatever the detail of the Israeli policy towards Ukraine is today, it will for sure be in the interest of the country first. Does one actually need to get the Russian Army reduced to almost nothing in the long run, but rather have the conflict settled with the less death possible and as soon as possible? Remember, the summer months of July and August will favour the Russian armoured columns the most, and furthermore, they consider the battlefield tactical nuclear strike as mere the another artillery option. Obviously Ukraine won't defeat Russia on their own. Will their next step not be trying to directly involve the West in the war? That will mean that the war will only end by either regime change in Moskow, or by the West really taking the crazed bet that the Russians won't use the nuclear option whilst they bomb their army out of Ukraine.
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honest question : why are you western so into democracy so much?
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@YukikoAmagi Why would we want democracy when we can be ruled by a self-appointed ruling class who make themselves exceptionally wealthy and decide everything for us and tell us what to think and what we aren't allowed to disagree with. And no matter what they decide to do there's nothing we can do about it.
Where do you live that is so much better than democracy?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Abstraction You should also warn her to be careful with her answer in case her rulers don’t like it... because pleasing them is always more important than her own thoughts, right?
@Abstraction i always thought that westerner are so into democracy because democracy invented and developed by western culture. So if the entire world use democracy that means you will feel superiority because you guys are the role model for the entire world. Am i right?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@YukikoAmagi Your country, so your choice.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@YukikoAmagi A brief history lesson: Greeks invented democracy. Western countries copied it from them, so you aren't really accurate on that.
History #2: Almost all the wars and abuses of humanity have come from governments run by powerful people who misuse their power. Think of Stalin's torture and killing of his own people. Think of Chairman Mao: In 1958, he launched the Great Leap Forward that aimed to rapidly transform China's economy from agrarian to industrial, which led to the deadliest famine in history and the deaths of 15–55 million people between 1958 and 1962." If you are from one of these countries, this might be news to you.

You are not correct. You think that my views about the best forms of governance, which I studied at university and was allowed to think for myself, are based on my ego and pride of my country. My ideas aren't based on pride and loyalty. I think for myself. This is a gift that democracy gives you. I can disagree with and criticise my government, and I do. Can you? Anyone, including yourself if this applies, who says 'my country right or wrong' is not thinking for themselves. They have thrown away their own thoughts to be manipulated by powerful rulers.
Mindful · 56-60, F
@YukikoAmagi I thought the Greeks started democracy
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Abstraction
I think for myself. This is a gift that democracy gives you. I can disagree with and criticise my government, and I do

Well said! That’s the heart and core of democracy!
@Abstraction Well said.