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momof3wifeof173 · 46-50, F
Le Pen is an authoritarian Putin supporter who would do away with domocracy in France if she could. We need a center in all of the liberal democracies to bapance the extremes on the left and right. I am sorry but Macron and Biden are not it but are better than the alternatives. Need someone from the center to run as a 3rd party candidate in 2024 in the US.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@momof3wifeof173 I think the opposite is the case. Macron and his ilk are anti-democratic, and illiberal. Those with more radical opinions, whether left or right, don’t get a look-in.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@EarthlingWise Not nonsense at all, in my opinion. If you disagree, explain why!
MartinII · 70-79, M
@RodionRomanovitch Because he supports the EU position that all member states must follow broadly the same “liberal” policies, and that countries which elect governments which want to do something different, such as Poland and Hungary at present, risk getting punished.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@RodionRomanovitch I’m talking about Macron’s support for the EU and its policies. It’s what defines Macron’s politics more than anything else.
It’s illiberal to seek to insist that nation states follow policies which are contrary to what those states’ elected governments want. That’s true whether the policies themselves are liberal or not.
It’s illiberal to seek to insist that nation states follow policies which are contrary to what those states’ elected governments want. That’s true whether the policies themselves are liberal or not.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@momof3wifeof173 It depends on whether the centre has any answers. Imo, it doesn't. The far right suffers mid term defeats but is gaining in the long run
The west seems locked in a death spiral between fascism and Neoliberalism. The left feels like a grown-up adolescent looking on at their parents abusive and dysfunctional marriage.
The west seems locked in a death spiral between fascism and Neoliberalism. The left feels like a grown-up adolescent looking on at their parents abusive and dysfunctional marriage.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@MartinII Let me get this straight ; Macron is anti-democratic and illiberal because he supports the EU and its policies , and likewise the other member states presumably........ apart from those that are actual illiberal democracies , Poland and Hungary.
This is patent nonsense , like she said.
This is patent nonsense , like she said.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@RodionRomanovitch You haven’t got it straight. Macron, and the EU, are illiberal, and anti-democratic, in that they seek to impose the same policies on all member states, whether the elected governments of those states like it or not. It’s not nonsense, it’s a simple fact. Of course you may, like many people, support the EU in doing this. If so that’s fine.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@RodionRomanovitch Yes, your first point is entirely fair. Curiously, the Eu wouldn’t be verypleased if Poland or others did try to leave.
My original charge was against Macron because of his enthusiasm for the anti-democratic, though justifiable, stance of the EU.
My original charge was against Macron because of his enthusiasm for the anti-democratic, though justifiable, stance of the EU.