Are a certain percentage of Americans brainwashed / indoctrinated by the liberal left wing media and big tech, and don’t even know it,

@hippyjoe1955

It's not whether it's an "official narrative" or not.

People who live in bubbles tend to only listen to information that they agree with.

If nearly all your family, friends and neighbors are on one side of the issue, you are likely to be on that side, too (or be persuaded to move to that side). It takes those with strong convictions to stand their ground and be in the opposition.

@beckyromero If you say so. I maintain that they are there for a reason. Funny thing is I tend to think for myself. I observe and then make my choice. Take Ukraine. I am not on the American/Ukrainian side because of the corruption I hear about from people I know that live in Ukraine. I am antivax because of the people I know that were killed or injured by the vax. In both cases I have tried to find the point of balance at which point I would switch. The fact that the Americans and their bioweapons labs caused covid and were then shown to have up to 45 bioweapon labs in Ukraine is reason enough for me. The US has gone rogue and Ukraine is corrupt enough to play along. In the case of the vaxes when I know more people who were killed by the vax than were hospitalized with the virus the balance is not hard to find.

@hippyjoe1955
Robert Kennedy, Jr. is anti-vax.

I hope you will listen to some of his views on the environment.

As for Ukraine, that nation posed no threat to Russia.

If Russia wants to invade a perceived corrupt bordering nation, it should consider China.

@beckyromero I don't do hero worship. I don't believe I have ever set out to listen to him. As for the environment I make my own opinions based on my own experiences. I have seen too many lies in the media to fall for any of their nonsense. I forget which Hollywood actor was visiting Calgary and he went on and on about how in Calgary you could actually feel global warming take place. Of course he was experiencing what any good Southern Albertan has experienced since the formation of the Rocky Mountains, a good old fashioned Chinook. We Albertans had tears running down our faces from laughing at the idiot. But it was widely reported in the MSM and I am sure lots of people believed him. He is a celebrity after all.

@hippyjoe1955

Well, there is global warming. Scientific studies of global temperatures, glacial melt, sea level rise, etc., have proven that. But there can be a reasonable disagreement about how much and what is causing it, not to mention what can be done about it.


People need to believe in heroes.

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@beckyromero There is no climate change beyond historic norms and there is nothing mankind is doing that can change it one way or the other. Nice try though. Carry on in your city induced delusions. BTW how is NYC doing? Is it under 10' of water yet? I know the ice in the arctic grew this year so there is that.....

@hippyjoe1955
I suppose you would sit still and let an asteroid strike the planet, too, even with years of warning?

We CAN do something about global warming, whatever the cause, even if it is the sun (well, to a point anyway). But I'm not onboard with the more radical solutions because I believe humanity has the technological know-how to not only destroy ourselves but to save ourselves as well. COVID showed that penalizing people to get them to take mass transit is not the answer.


And a couple of years ago the Great Lakes nearly completely froze over. But one year isn't a trend. If it were, the Calgary Flames would have been more successful after 1989. 😉

@beckyromero As I said historic norms have the climate much hotter and much colder than right now. Which proves......

@hippyjoe1955
You are certaintly right about that ... if you go back 65 million years.

Obviously, climate changes (or climate-changing events) have taken place on this planet that have had nothing to do with humanity.

My point is, unlike the dinosaurs, we can do something about it.

@beckyromero No we can't. Nice delusion. What is the optimal temperature we should be aiming for?

@hippyjoe1955 You are ignoring rates of change.

Executive summary

The global warming / climate change we're seeing in the last 100 or so years is MUCH different from anything measured in the glacial & sea sediment records covering the last 700,000 years. CO2 is rising 100x faster, and temps 10x faster.

Supporting data

"How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past?" https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php "As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming."

How is today's CO2 increase different? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide "The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago."

Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

@hippyjoe1955
You don't think we can combat the effects of rising sea levels? Really? I suggest you ask the Dutch about that.


Now THAT is actually an intriguing question and you should be complimented for asking it, as dfferent nations may have varying notions on what is the "optimal temperature."

For example, Russia may embrace global warming so they can more easily develop Siberia.

Saudia Arabia might have mixed views. Fossil fuels adds to global warming and enriches the royal family. But a cooler climate might make some of the land more arable and lessen their water woes.

Historical records do show that during the Medieval Warm Period, agricultural innovations flourished in Europe.

But during the "Little Ice Age," famines increased.

I don't have an answer.

Personally, I prefer something around 75 degrees as an average daytime temp in the summer, with a slight breeze and sunshine for a nice tan. But then so do most people. (Except the crazies in Florida.)

But I do like having seasons. Yes, even snow.

@ElwoodBlues We have now way of knowing what past rates of change were. We do know that it must have gotten really cold really fast at one time. The mastodons of Siberia were flash frozen with buttercups in their mouths. That indicates extremely fast freezing. After all these years the meat is so well preserved it is still edible. WOW. No run along junior. You are completely out of your league again.

@hippyjoe1955
And that's a good thing, too. For the Russians, that is. They can have mastodon burgers instead of Big Macs.

@beckyromero The point is if we have no idea what the ideal is. It could be warmer. It could be colder but regardless it has been both warmer and colder and the CO2 level has been much much higher with no discernible difference in quality of life. CO2 is not a driver of climate change and never will be.

@beckyromero If you say so. I am simply pointing out that we really don't have much understanding of climate and climate change but have been sold on poverty to prevent it.

@hippyjoe1955
True, there may be a disagreement about what the idea temperature might be.

But every nation will have SOME idea. So let's arrive at some consensus for at least doing something to mitigate the effects of the extremes.

I am skeptical about the "point of no return" argument, because the planet's average temperature has gone way past that in the past than what is argued. But it is true that slight changes in the sun's output or the size of the planet could have resulted in a runaway greenhouse or runaway glaciation. There IS a tipping point. We're just not sure what that tippng point is.

Seasons are getting more extreme and hurricanes are getting more dangerous. Yes, we can strengthen building codes, etc. Just don't propose NUKING them like someone who shall go unnamed did.

One thing we haven't generally had in the Industrial Age is the massive volcanic eruptions that often cooled the planet. Nor have we had major asteroid strikes.

@beckyromero So what exactly is wrong with just living with the weather rather than having a big fight over what we can not control. Nothing we are doing is changing the weather and nothing we can do will change the weather. If the sun puts out more heat we get warmer. If the sun puts out less heat we get colder. If we encounter more cosmic rays we have more clouds. If we don't have as many cosmic rays we have less clouds. Nothing we can do about it. No need to try. Huge waste of time and energy. You know you have reached peak insanity when you think you can control the weather through taxes. That is beyond insane.

@hippyjoe1955
Because I do think we can have some control over it.

And maybe if Calgarians had spent their tax dollars more wisely, the Saddledome wouldn't have been flooded a few years back.

If New Yorkers prepared better, the subways might not have flooded during Hurricane Sandy.

And the feds and Louisiana screwed up in the years before Hurricane Katrina.

The point is that there are ways to mitigate the effects of climate change. But if one doesn't even recognize or admit that there is even climate change, then there's no real effort to mitigate the effects of it - and people needlessly die as a result.

@hippyjoe1955
You touched on the reality here.
The mindless sheep who voted for Alzheimer's Joe and incompetent harris, literally fall in line with whatever the mainstream narrative happens to be at any given moment.

@beckyromero
Climate change?
This planet never stopped going through climate change.
Billions of years BEFORE man inhabited the planet, climate change was happening. The planet has always been going from ice age to warmth, back to ice age, over and over and over and over again. The fact that you don't understand this reality, speaks volumes about how brainwashed you are.
You also believe in 57 ,genders and that CRT is rooted in fact.
In other words? You're the typical easily duped gullible sheep who voted for Alzheimer's Joe and incompetent harris.

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