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I'd like to ask exactly HOW someone ISN'T mentally ill if they decide to shoot up a school??

People claim "there's no evidence for psychological or mental health issues affecting the shootings" but i don't know how rational of a conclusion that claim really is.

I mean, I'd really like to know what the other reasons are for why someone would do this. Excluding the terrorists known commonly as incels ("I'm going to shoot a school full of my classmates because a girl I liked didn't accept my advances"), there have been individuals that have literally shot up classrooms where only kindergarten kids were.

I don't agree that a shooting like the Sandy Hook shooting was on the same level as that of an incel killer. The man was a grown adult and his victims were all 5-6 year old children, and I'm really wondering how exactly someone didn't rule out mental health in that case. Because if you wake up in the morning and decide to shoot up a classroom filled with kindergarten kids, you are mentally unhealthy to some extent.

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Jenny1234 · 56-60, F

I’d like to know how an entire country has regular school shoot ups. It’s sick af

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TopOfTheWorld

@Jenny1234 because 38,000 gun deaths per year is considered a reasonable price to pay for keeping the right to bear arms.

Jenny1234 · 56-60, F

@TopOfTheWorld that is demented

TopOfTheWorld

@Jenny1234 I couldn't agree more, it's tragic too.

MickRogers · 26-30, M

@Jenny1234 Ehhh... well, to be fair, it's much more preferable to the amount of Islamic terrorist attacks that have happened in Europe in the past 20 years. All due to the migrant crisis.

TopOfTheWorld

@MickRogers hundreds of thousands of deaths is preferable to hundreds of deaths?

ElwoodBlues · M

@MickRogers

it's much more preferable to the amount of Islamic terrorist attacks that have happened in Europe in the past 20 years.

I don't know the stats on this. How many attacks & how many deaths are we talking about over 20 years?

TopOfTheWorld

@ElwoodBlues the figure for the most recent year available is about 38,000 gun deaths in the US so even at a very conservative estimate its got to be at least half a million deaths during the 20 year period Mick quotes. I don't know the figures for the amount of "Islamic terrorist attacks" in Europe during the same period but I think the number of resultant deaths is in the hundreds, not thousands, or if it reaches over 1,000 I very much doubt it's much more than that. So over 500,000 dead Americans preferable to about 1,000 dead Europeans, really?

Jenny1234 · 56-60, F

@MickRogers don't agree. It's no different. It's home grown terrorist attack where you can't even be safe in your own country with your own people! There should be ZERO school shootings

redredred · M

@Jenny1234 Do keep in mind that if an urban drug dealer shoots a competitor on a school basketball court at 1:00 AM on a Sunday, it’s classed as a school shooting.

ElwoodBlues · M

@redredred I don't think that's true.

how does the Gun Violence Archive define a school shooting?

On its website, it says a school shooting is: "An incident that occurs on school property when students, faculty and/or staff are on the premises. Intent during those times are not restricted to specific types of shootings. Incidents that take place on or near school property when no students or faculty/staff are present are not considered "school shootings."

redredred · M

@TopOfTheWorld keep in mind, about half of those are suicides and justifiable shootings by law enforcement or poorly selected not-going-to-be-a victim.

Also, if you subtract the democrat run cities of NYC, Chicago, Baltimore and LA. America’s numbers look much better. And the numbers from 2020 are about half of what they were in 1995.

redredred · M

@ElwoodBlues Is the Gun Violence Archive the FBI staticstics?

ElwoodBlues · M

@redredred Why don't you tell me!

Update: If you were waiting for redred to explain what definition of 'school shooting' he was citing & how the FBI defines it, don't hold your breath; redred made it up!!

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@MickRogers The "migrant crisis" started around 2011 with 2015 being a peak year. And it follows the events concerning the Arabic Spring, and the civil wars that followed it. That's not 20 years.

But if you are going to look at the majority of terrorist attacks, they started around 2004-2005. As a consequence of the events concerning the Iraq war (2003) and the war in Afghanistan (2001). And the terrorists, were not people that fled towards Europe. Most of them are 2nd and 3th generation migrants. So people that grew up in European countries and went to school here.

Jenny1234 · 56-60, F

@redredred your gun policy is effed up. Every time I turn on the news there seems to be a mass school shooting in the usa. there is something really wrong there

Jenny1234 · 56-60, F

@Kwek00 you laughed at my comment. So you think the school shootings are a joke

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Jenny1234 No, I think RedRed is pretty effed up. But if you just want to confine it to "gun policy", thats okay too.

antonioioio · 70-79, M

@Jenny1234 The why is as simple as the nose on your face
The availability of guns to the public

Jenny1234 · 56-60, F

@antonioioio duh it's obvious.

antonioioio · 70-79, M

@Jenny1234 Don't duh me
If it was country my I would do something about it

Jenny1234 · 56-60, F

@antonioioio obvious your comment was duh.

antonioioio · 70-79, M

@Jenny1234 Sorry
My comment is a fact

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LeopoldBloom · M

@MickRogers Right wing terror dwarfs left wing and Islamic terror combined.

redredred · M

@LeopoldBloom notorious left-wing site associated with The Nation magazine. Utter crap

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-nation-institute/

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