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Biden Shutting Down Pipeline That Supplies Energy To Midwest

The Biden administration is reviewing the possible ramifications of shutting down a key pipeline transporting crude oil and natural gas from Canada to Michigan.

“We have a state in Michigan that uses the most residential propane in the nation,” said Jason Hayes, the director of environmental policy for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. “And yet, we’re seriously considering shutting down this pipeline and giving these people not even two or three months notice, just basically saying, ‘well, sorry, you’re gonna be on your own.’”

Line 5 carries about 540,000 barrels of oil and gas per day from Canada to Michigan, which relies on the pipeline for most of its propane needs, according to its operator Enbridge.

The Biden administration is reviewing the possible ramifications of shutting down a key pipeline transporting crude oil and natural gas from Canada into the Midwest.

So now the question is;

Is it worse to abandon citizens in a foreign country - left to be hunted down and killed,

OR

Needlessly remove a key resource from citizens at home so they can freeze to death at home?

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Carla · 61-69, F

Line 5 has had 33 leaks since 1968, spilling over one million gallons of crude. 26% of the metal has eroded. The length of the line is covered in cracks and dents. Our lakes are at risk.
The pipeline was slated to last 50 years. Times up.

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Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla So, leave citizens at risk?
That's the solution?

Biden is itching to spend ga-gillions on infrastructure - so fix the freaking pipeline!

This isn't rocket surgery, Carla.

Carla · 61-69, F

@Budwick fixed? No, it has passed that point. And how long do you reckon it would take to replace it? How will we magically get that crude if the line is shut down for years?
There are other manners of transportation.
Enbridge is a menace. Look at their history, if you care to bother.
But then it isnt about the whole truth, right? Just your sensation headlnes.

jackjjackson · 70-79, M

Do you have solar panels, windmills or both? @Carla

Carla · 61-69, F

@jackjjackson I have neither. But if I could, I certainly would have both.
I do however, belong to my electric co op that has a solar farm that I invested in.

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla

No, it has passed that point.

Maybe Obama should have fixed it in HIS omnibus bill!

Look, Trump managed to fix America after 8 years of Obama, and decades of neglect by everyone else. Someone that actually gives a shit can fix the thing.

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla Hey, send some of those wind powered 18 wheelers up to Michigan!

jackjjackson · 70-79, M

Serious question. Has that resulted in savings for you? @Carla

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Carla · 61-69, F

@jackjjackson not in the monthly bill. I get a yearly return on my investment.

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla

, you and I will be dead and gone.

Yeah, that's pretty cheery stuff.

Lot's of other people will die too from the green deal being forced down our throats. They're killing existing fuel industries before there are viable alternatives. The chaos and destruction is purposeful.

Carla · 61-69, F

@Budwick people will die from reducing emissions? Wow!
The oil industry has made over two trillion worldwide so far this year. They will receive that welfare they get, yearly.
There is no chaos. No destruction.
There will come a time that they will suffer.
Transition to renewable energy wont take a minute and it will be painful for some.
What are you afraid of bud?
You arent.
If committment to renewable energy was trumps plan, you would be all about it.

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla

people will die from reducing emissions?

Carla- think really hard.
With no alternative energy source available, what happens to people in northern Michigan in February if there's no fuel oil or gas? Suddenly they are forced to live like it's the 1800's - Yes, they will die.

Carla · 61-69, F

@Budwick If you are sincerely interested, read this article. I you dont really want to bother then I know this is all just you making noise.

jackjjackson · 70-79, M

When you put it all together how does it work out? What is the percentage return on your investment? This some promising. If the numbers work and they have one in my area I am going to do it. @Carla

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla
Read what article? If you don't really want to provide an answer then I know you are just making noise.

With no alternative energy source available, what happens to people in northern Michigan in February if there's no fuel oil or gas? Suddenly they are forced to live like it's the 1800's - Yes, they will die.

jackjjackson · 70-79, M

It’s a lot of work but there is plenty of firewood there. Starting with Witmer’s furniture. @Budwick

Carla · 61-69, F

@Budwick 🙄.
Propane companies are already prepared to truck their product when/if it becomes necessary. No one is going to freeze.
I LIVE in northern michigan.
In the upper peninsula(not where I live), there are just over a quarter of a million people that have permanent residency. Most have wood heat supplemented by propane.
Supplying them with fuel will not be at issue.

Budwick · 70-79, M

@jackjjackson And no furnaces to burn the wood in.
Prolly putting out more emissions than the gas furnace would have.
SO, what does Dad do? Go to work? Or chop wood?

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla The U.P. Energy Task Force and other proponents of shutting down Line 5 point out that it would be possible to transport propane to Michigan’s Upper Peninsula by truck, from a propane fractionating facility in Superior, Wisc., to Michigan’s Rapid River facility. An assessment, conducted by Dynamic Risk and prepared for the Michigan Public Service Commission and the National Wildlife Federation, found this method of transportation would increase the cost of propane by between $0.10 and $0.35 per gallon, depending on the supply location.

They're expecting an 80% increase in the cost - of course passed onto the end user.

It isn’t just businesses that operate in the petroleum products industry that are predicting cost and supply impacts. The MPSC’s Michigan Statewide Energy Assessment admits, “In the long-term, migrating away from pipeline supply will remove a layer of redundancy to the system, thus decreasing our resilience to future supply issues or infrastructure outages.

The whole thing is another half baked idea by Biden's Kill America First Plan.

Carla · 61-69, F

@jackjjackson percentage wise it varies. But I think it averages about 13%. My investment will take about 8 years to recoup. I'm close to that.
The return isn't huge, but it isnt all about that.

Carla · 61-69, F

@Budwick this is on bidens plate but started long before him.
How does 10 to 35 cents a gallon translate to 80% increase?
In my mind, preserving our lakes is a far better option than fuel cost increases.

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla

$2.10 per gallon to $3.76 is 79% sorry, rounded off

How does burning trucked in propane vs propane from a pipeline save a lake?

Carla · 61-69, F

@Budwick the pipeline is rotting below the straits of mackinac.
A 10 to 35 cent increase is 2.45 to 2.70.
And those costs and increases are subject to availability.
Even if they decided to build a tunnel and run a new line through it, it would take a minimum of four years to complete.
That means a minimum four year shutdown.
Either way, a permanent shutdown or a temporary one, circumstances would require alternative methods of delivery.
Or would you prefer a catastrophic spill happen first, which would cost billions and be an environmental disaster?

jackjjackson · 70-79, M

During a much smaller than you’re discussing pipeline install at a recreational lake very near me recently fluid used to assist the drilling in some fashion leaked and went into the lake. For awhile the pipeline company tried to cover it up then tried to explain it away and is reluctantly now taking responsibility however all the foot dragging the fluid in the lake and expanded a lot. Being better citizens ]would sure get pipeline companies more support. @Carla @Budwick

Budwick · 70-79, M

@Carla Carla - you are not arguing with me.
You are arguing with U.P. Energy Task Force , Michigan Public Service Commission and the National Wildlife Federation.

The left is steering this Titanic, so it WILL hit an iceberg.
It's just common sense to put alternatives in place BEFORE pulling the out rug from under people.

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