Warning: Hypothetical Question------- If you can't answer hypothetical questions, then please don't try

@MistyCee

If he had won the popular vote and the electoral vote, and he won without a shadow of a doubt, you wouldn't want the rightful person to be president? Crowning Trump?
So you would rather have the fraud guy wear the crown?

@JimBeam nice catch. Sorry about that, I misspoke with the popular vote thing.

If Trump actually got the votes to win the electoral college, ideally he should have gotten the crown in the first place.

The problem is, hypothetically, of course, that we don't have a mechanism for dealing with that after the electoral college vote was verified.

Given the choices, I think we'd be better off sticking to the Constitution and letting Biden keep it as opposed to making things up as we go along.

I get that it's not "right", but it's a "bad law", imo, and we ought to fix it for the future, especially since, if we don't, every election down the road will be suspect, and every President potentially subject to recall.

While we're at it, I'd personally get rid of the electoral college of course, but that's another set of issues.

@MistyCee

I don't know if the constitution says an illegal president can remain in office, just because fraud occurred.

@JimBeam Of course it doesnt say that. It makes no provision for fraud or removal except for impeachment or the 25th amendment.

But by its terms, Biden is President because Congress certified the electoral vote and the fraud you're hypothesizing about is with the people voting and not with the electoral college.

I've no problem with saying Trump should have been certified given the assumed fraud, but he wasn't, and given that, as wrong as it might be, I'm more worried about revisiting the election in the courts without giving them some sort of Constitutional or at least legislative guidance.

BTW, I fully realize I'm way out here on this one, and I'm not saying I'm right or that I've even really tried to think this thing all the way through.

My gut feeling, though is, in this case, assuming the Court would even take the case, I'd rather it not go past the electoral vote was certified and that's what picks the President, as opposed to throwing every election into the courts by allegations of voting fraud.

@MistyCee it seems rare that a lib runs home to mama and sing the praises of the constitution . We need to have a convention of the states and make a few provisions to handle the massive fraud in our elections and straighten up the impeachment process a bit.

@TexChik lol. I've talked about fixing the Constitution before, btw.

Here's a good, if hypothetical example, imo, of the need to fix it so as to make for a better stable democracy/republic.

Thing is, if I were to go to that convention, i'd be pushing to reform the electoral college as well, and look at stuff like increasing the number of Representatives.

@MistyCee the electoral college functions exactly as it should . The number of representatives also functions as it should

@MistyCee


When answering a hypothetical question, the constitution doesn't allow you to change the parameters of the question.

@TexChik If so, what's the problem?

The electoral college submitted their votes, Congress certified them, and what does it matter if there was fraud in actual people voting?

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@JimBeam Ok, yeah, the guy who was elected legally should he President, assuming he was elected legally.

@MistyCee
Now you're just trolling.

@MistyCee the problem is that only the state legislatures ( per the constitution) are allowed to change their state’s election laws. In the red states involved in the scam , Governors and the Secretaries of State ( all democrat btw) changed their state’s laws regarding mail on ballots illegally . With such a massive fraud it took more than a few weeks to begin to compile t( in detail) the fraud that occurred in each state and the election was certified amid a democrat and media push to do so . It was clear this was well planned in advance . The audits now will only serve to confirm what we already know and to set the perpetrators up for public exposure and prosecution . It will also declare the Biden admin as corrupt and all of his actions correctable because the election results are fraudulent , so is this administration .

@JimBeam Do trolls not bleed?

What would SW without them (or us)?

@MistyCee

I could tell from the beginning, and Tex noticed that you care a wee bit too much about the constitution that the Dems have thrown in the garbage.

@TexChik Yup, so let's scrap that stuff about legislatures and next time around let the people vote and let their votes be counted equally.

By all means, let them show IDs, but why not let their votes count?

@TexChik I lost you. What's better?

@JimBeam Tex knows well, even if she chooses to bait me, that I don't toe a liberal line all the time, and that I don't defend Dems all the time.

I disagree with folks on either side, and while I do tend to think one side has more problems than the other, my issue is more about black and white, US vs them thinking, than it is about traditional liberal vs conservative issues.

@MistyCee

But you shouldn't try to change the premise of a hypothetical question, and you do.

@JimBeam I guess it's my fault for trying to make sense of this one by pointing out the whole Constitutional/electoral college/ certification process.

My apologies for complicating your question.

@MistyCee and ignored the fact the constitution was violated and illegally altered state elections to favor democrats were certified. Completely unfair and unconstitutional

@JimBeam Because the world only includes cats and dogs?

I'm sorry I tried to interfere with your post.

Your right. I look stupid.

@MistyCee

No, don't give up hope. Hypothetical questions are taught in philosophy and logic classes in college.

Trust me on this, most people fail those classes, because they can't think outside the box.

If you're given two choices, and you make up your own answer, then you really aren't cut out for logic classes.

People who can't really deal with logic, would be better suited for political science or gender studies programs.