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Is Tony Blair capable of shame?

The former British Prime Minister and War on Terror archetect has weighed into the debate on the decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.

The first issue with this is that his arguments are disengenuous as well as wrong. He talks about the progress and gains made: these gains are in Kabul alone and in no way compensate for 241,000 lives lost and an economy decimated by a twenty year civil war. He mentions that no allied troops were killed over eighteen months but neglected to mention that this is includes a long period in which a ceasefire was signed to withdraw troops.

In Blair's imagination, to call this a 'Forever War' is an 'imbecilic argument' . Fair enough Mr Blair, twenty years is not forever, its just a very long time. Also, it might only have lasted another forty years so that is obviously good enough.

This is a deluded man who has nothing to contribute and is fighting a losing battle to save his legacy.

After 9/11, Bush and the American neo-cons needed an ally to give them the veneer of an international consensus to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Tony Blair, as a European Liberal, was perfect for that role. He enthusiastically made the case for conflict, based on lies about weapons of mass destruction and reconstruction plans which never existed. At no stage has he apologised or expressed remorse.

Over time, British public opinion has turned sharply against Blair because of his role in these awful and murderous wars. His approval ratings are deep subteranian but he still gets platforms for his views because he still has plenty of friends within the British establishment.

In a way, I'm glad he is getting involved. His intervention serves as a reminder for how these wars began and how dishonest the justifications were.
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Northwest · M
includes a long period in which a ceasefire was signed to withdraw troops

It doesn't simply include, it is the whole length of time. Feb 2020 to July 2021. Agreement to withdraw which included a cease fire was signed in Feb 2020.

Fair enough Mr Blair, twenty years is not forever

Perhaps not to Blair, but in fact it is if you're a 20 something soldier in the field. How many of the 13 Marines killed yesterday are over 30?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest
It doesn't simply include, it is the whole length of time. Feb 2020 to July 2021. Agreement to withdraw which included a cease fire was signed in Feb 2020.

I was too generous. He really is a bullshitter.

Perhaps not to Blair, but in fact it is if you're a 20 something soldier in the field. How many of the 13 Marines killed yesterday are over 30?

and too sarcastic
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 I just heard the first name. Rylee McCollum, age 20. Marine. His assignment was to guard the gate. First deployment. Wife expecting their first kid in 3 weeks. Fuck Blair, and the neoconservatives.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest I have a real hatred for neo cons iusing liberal values to justify these wars. David Brooks and Nick Cohen...
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
You may or may not appreciate this perspective, but I found it interesting and engaging....

https://mtracey.substack.com/p/british-melodrama-over-afghanistan
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster Its a good article and people should read it.

He completely gets the dilusions of the British establishment and the media hypocricy.

Inside baseball factors apply: Raab is attacking Biden to shift blame away from his government. May is trying to pin this on Johnson because she is motivated by personal revenge. It was the kind of thing that Boris did to May when she was the leader.

But yeah, the whole conversation about the war in our mefua rests on several false assumptions:

1) The war was fought on good intentions.
2) It was winnable.
3) Britain is a great power, not a mid-sized country.
4) Britain has autonomy on foreign policy, instead of being a subservient ally in the hegenomy of the American Empire.

Blair's intervention is likewise based on this BS but this is one area where most people here do see through it.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 Well I'm glad you appreciated it. I've read enough from this guy to subscribe, I am appreciating his perspective and opinion.

I've been reading a lot of writers on Substack lately, they have better and more varied opinions and many choose to take a contrarian or different viewpoint then the MSM.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster Well, our politics are not the same but we are both critical of the establishment for different reasons.

I'm a paid subscriber to Novarra Media and a Patron of Richard Seymour. Novarra are good a picking apart the bullshit of the UK media and Seymour just has the best in depth analysis of anyone I have ever read. They are alternative sources that rigorously use evidence, not baseless conspiracies. Both are also highly critical of the nationalist right, which is another reason why I like them.

The British print media here is hostile to the left. Where its not Conservative, its Blairite (see above). The British establishment is based in one city so the tendency for groupthink is worse than in America.
He hasn't shown enough self awareness for that for 2 decades so I am not optimistic.
Lacemaker · 46-50, F
Well said. He's totally disingenuous, always was and always will be.
As you said, the only reason he has a platform is because he is 'well-connected' in the establishment.
All he and his wife are interested in is money.
PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP
no he is a sociopath.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
At the time there were few people who opposed invading Afghanistan. A few more opposed Iraq. The Taliban and Saddam Hussein would have been fine to remove, if that were all. It turns out it's impossible to do anything long term once the bad guys are gone. Let em' all rot? We don't seem to have a choice.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Blair would appear to be a self-serving dick, but I've seen very few politicians who aren't.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Fukfacewillie Very much so. He was a Labour Prime Minister to. His government did a few good things but he was more of a Conservative than a social democrat. I have multiple reasons not to like him, aside from the wars.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 Like Clinton running to the middle. They were so cute together!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Fukfacewillie Yeah, he explicitly modelled himself on Clinton. Neo liberalism but only being a 50/50 dick head about it. Then he went full dick head and invaded Iraq. Gotta admire the dick head consistency.

 
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