Bravo America ???

There were some common traits but other significant differences too

look at the question once again.

No, the fascists were fascists. They referred to themselves as 'national socialism', but national socialism and other forms of socialism are very different. Fascism is extreme right wing ideology, only the uneducated or apologists for right wing extremism dispute this.

The 20th century fascists had a nationalist component, but they are not the same thing.

Uh, it was in the name of the Nazi party. Last I checked they were 20th century fascists. Thank you for your random digression missing the point. Fascists are not leftists in any century, regardless. 🙄

Fascism requires socialism (to one extent or another). But, you can be a nationalist and not be a fascist.

Fascism utilized private corporations in a way socialism never would

In a socialist govt, the govt can use the corporations in any way it wants, because it has the final say (controlling interest in the means of production is one of the defining characteristics of socialism)

I give up...

i.e fascism requires socialism. I disagree that socialist govt "would never" use corporations is that way, because that is exactly what happened in the 20th century.

As Steve said, Fascism places social power in the hands of private interests as opposed to collectively determined governance. This is basically the main thrust of the left/right spectrum. And yes, as you get to the extremes they become harder to distinguish because they both adopt authoritarianism and a focus on extreme state control, but I cannot emphasize enough how much any attempt to claim that fascism is a left leaning ideology flies in the face of political and economic theory. You should stop if you ever want to be taken seriously by an informed person.

@Auberon89: Keynsian economics was another trait of nazism at least.

@Auberon89: Perfect !

@SteveHamm: Keynes was a proponent of a democratic mix of free enterprise and state involvement in keeping such enterprises free and fair. The Nazi model was more of having the state back particular powerful interests and skewing the market in their favor. Keynes was a classical liberal who found fascism appalling.

Referring to how nazi Germany funded its economy @Auberon89:

@SteveHamm: gotcha

Auberon-- I know many very "informed people" that would strongly disagree with you. I think you are confusing fascism (a socialist structure) with nationalism that can exist in a free, libertarian, and capitalistic society. But fascism requires socialism, or it can't exist. You can call it left wing, right wing, or chocolate cupcakes.

But enough of this time to move on, you can have the last word

@quantum7: You are fundamentally misunderstanding the left/right spectrum which is severely undercutting your claim to not be misinformed. Fascism and socialism use many of the same mechanisms to achieve diametrically opposed results in terms of distributing economic power. This is an easy concept to understand if one is not emotionally or politically invested in not understanding it, as you seem to be.

Auberon--- your confusion of socialism, nationalism, and fascism is severely undercutting your's my friend

You just totally resorted to "I know you are but what am I?" 😂

This is sad. Quantum, the man is blowing you out of the water. He seriously knows his sh*t.

we did agree on one thing "Fascism and socialism use many of the same mechanisms" my point

@quantum7: That was not your point at all, you said "the fascists were socialists", which is not true and basically frames the political spectrum in such a way as to suggest that all extremism is on the left and none is on the right. Your argument is not based on sound reasoning but rather clear partisanship and a tendency to have only partial familiarity with the political and economic terms you are using. Make this a teachable moment for yourself. Allow yourself to be wrong, otherwise you will fail to learn the things you ought to be learning from this type of exchange.

Which fascists weren't socialists?