Teachers Union Approves Plan to Promote Hate-Based Critical Race Theory

@SatanBurger YouTube is bad. It's cherry picked worst examples.

@Burnley123 Not really, you should look up how comedians won't go on college campuses anymore because of the nature of it now. That's key to sort through what's true and not. If people with no political ties are left feeling some way on those campuses, something has to be leading up to that.

There's also other things of concern but regardless being too overly sensitive and too under sensitive are two sides of the same extreme.

The bottom line is that I think totally dismissing what they're teaching them now is a mistake for that reason.

@Burnley123 https://www.thecollegefix.com/saying-god-bless-you-after-sneeze-listed-as-microaggression-on-colleges-anti-oppression-guide/

@SatanBurger I'm sure some shit does happen at a few Universities, which I say more as nineteen-year-olds being silly than the end of civilization stuff. It's an effective narrative though.

Nobody on here attacking critical race theory knows what it is. It's just a scary-sounding name to build a conspiracy around.

I am a teacher and I studied sociology at university. I know left-wing circles. I had never heard of critical race theory until the right started talking about it a year ago. Its an obscure name picked from the fringes of American legal academia and spun into a conspiracy.

@Burnley123 You're wrong in making it out to be a conspiracy theory:

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/woke-schooling-toolkit-for-concerned-parents

See the issue I take with this is the language CRT proponents use rather than some of the stuff taught. Like I'm more than down to teach people that Columbus wasn't that great of a person or learning how certain policies affect more than others.

But that's not what is happening.

@SatanBurger I had a black couple openly laugh at me in public for having a "black" name... Even though it's Italian.

@SinlessOnslaught I don't doubt that. There's lots of ignorant people out there, that's why I don't buy into many of these activist theories.

@SatanBurger It's another article from a partisan source. This one is a right-wing think tank. Its just the same conspiracy again in big words.

Look up what critical race theory actually is. Start on Wikipedia or watch a video by a critical race theorist. Then you will get an idea of what it is and what they say on their own terms.

The conspiracy is:

Anything anti-racist = critical race theory.
+ find the stupidest and most controversial things that anti-racists do, call it critical race theory and post it all over the internet.

@Burnley123 Okay name specifically what they got wrong instead of just being hyperbolic which isn't evidence that it doesn't exist.

@SatanBurger I can't because their argument isn't even about critical race theory. It's about an invented strawman.

@Burnley123 Here's kind of example as why I distrust activists:

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/now-they-call-us-white-jews-a-new-american-antisemitism-575524/

@Burnley123 Okay well I'm done with this conversation, it's fairly easy to see that you got nothing.

@SatanBurger lol. Well you could look at what CRT actually says and deal with that. I'm. Happy to debate CRT with you, just not the conspiracy.

@Burnley123 A school told a fourth grader that she had white privilege, that's child abuse. No parent wants to hear that their child was targeted specifically because of their skin color much less fourth graders don't really think in those terms unless they're being taught. There's a better way to fight racism than that.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/24/how-parents-are-fighting-critical-race-theory-in-nyc-schools/

So by being dismissive, you're dismissing real events that really happened. These parents with these real experiences are not "just" white either and most come from all political backgrounds, not just conservative. We can pretend that CRT isn't full of thinly veiled coded language like telling Jewish people that they are white and therefore benefit from privilege like in the link I shared but I tell you, stonewalling doesn't mean you're correct.

I care about how people "use" those theories, not what is on a wikipedia page, wikipedia pages are not sentient and tend to do much less damage than the people who abuse it.

@SatanBurger Wikipedia is more reliable as a source than the New York Post. It's worth looking up what people actually say in their own terms instead of cherry picked and/or misrepresented examples by opponents.

Critical race theory is actually a thing on the fringes of US legal academia. It's influence is negligable. What you are attacking is not CRT but what the right says is CRT. I. E. perceived overreach of anti racist policies and social liberalism.

Your example may or may not accurate. It may or may not be a bad thing. It's not CRT!

@Burnley123 It's really not when the people who support CRT are doing things like telling fourth graders about their privilege. If what you say is true that these people are not teaching "real" CRT based on what Wikipedia says, then it's still an issue isn't it.

@Burnley123 The right didn't make schools tell children their skin color was privileged but nice try.

@SatanBurger
Are we talking about CRT (which is taught in some American graduate schools) or general anti-racism? Yes all things have overreach in some cases and you can find examples of this on the internet.

I can't speak for American schools because I've only taught in British ones. However, I'm really skeptical of the idea that white kids in most American schools are taught to feel guilty for being white. Elementary school curriculums are about drilling basic skills on Maths and English and the political influence is negligible. We have the same conspiracy theories in this country where people who don't have experience of education or academia have constructed this narrative for partisan purposes.

I'm an ex-sociology student, a leftist, and a teacher. So if anyone was indoctrinating kids with critical race theory, then it would be me. I had never heard of critical race theory until a year ago when the right started talking about this term. Unless I am lying, then this narrative is completely empty of substance. Its not just that the arguments presented about crt are false (which they are), its that the debate itself is also completely astroturfed.

If kids are taught to be aware of race and racism, then that is a good thing. No that is not what CRT is and CRT is not an attempt to 'divide people with identity politics'.

I mentioned Wikipedia because it's a good source as an introduction for any topic. It's not politically partisan and it has a sourcing system. That way you get an idea of what people are arguing in their own terms, not what is (mis)represented by political opponents. I could have recommended articles from Jacobin or Tribune but they are partisan sources.

That so much is written about CRT is not proof of its power as a narrative, just the need for the right to use this as a narrative because they can't argue against anti-racism by any other means. Pick a scary-sounding name from the fringes of US legal academia, build a conspiracy around it and then knock down the strawman.

@Burnley123
and THAT is part of the problem. You don't know what you are defending.

@Budwick
I am an ex-sociology student who works in a school and I don't get my info from dodgy right-wing websites so how could I know?

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We have the same arguments here and it's still ridiculous. Our critical race theory is not more of a strawman than your critical race theory.

Classic Budwick, what with that spoon fed herd-mentality promoted by Faux News

@Budwick