Biden Administration Wants Americans To Report ‘Radicalized’ Friends And Family To Government

@soar2newhighs That might have sounded radical in the middle ages, but it sounds a lot like Rousseau and I doubt it was all that radical by 1787 America.

@MistyCee I’d say it is in 2021 but then too, look at who made that remark. He’s noted for his gaffes.Hopefully it was a gaffe.

@MistyCee Much more like Nazi Germany Stalinist Russia, Maoist China etc. You liberals are too stupid to know your history.

@soar2newhighs Seriously, what was the context?

@soar2newhighs In @MistyCee's world any mistake Bribe'm makes it is Trump's fault so there is that.

@hippyjoe1955 Them too, but also the founding fathers.

Here's a read with some history.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

@MistyCee There’s a post on here w/ video where he goes on about our rights and makes that remark. Like I said, he makes gaffes and this may well have been one of them.

@soar2newhighs I know its contraversial to talk about people ceding rights to the government these days, especially when discussing the 2nd amendment, but the idea of surrendering the excercise of individual rights in exchange for the benefits of living in civilization was one of the ideas that underlay both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

We can talk a lot about which natural rights may be affected and the degree to which we should be deemed to have consented, but really, I don't think it's that radical an idea and it's definitely not new to think that we have basically consented to not using the right to murder our neighbor for stealing our sheep or grabbing an extra share of mammoth meat.

If Biden pissed off folks by saying we forfeited our rights to bear as, I get wherhe it's controversial, but I'd disagree with radical.

@MistyCee it was my take on his comment that IMO was radical
Also the government taxes us, and I don’t want them taking anything else.
I don’t see murder or theft in any way a “right”. Criminal and impulsive.

@soar2newhighs I think our right to complain about taxes is critical, as is our right to argue about how much our votes should count on that point, including our right to try to revise the Constitution with regard to the electoral college.


But saying murder isn't a right sort of begs the question. Can we kill others to defend our lives, our property, or our feelings?

I really do buy the idea that to some extent, we ought to have been considered to have ceded our individual rights to act in exchange for the benefits of living in civilization.

The pure natural rights folks might disagree, as well as others, but I feel pretty safe in saying that the social contract theory is pretty well mainstream as opposed to radical, despite the current state of dialog.

I'm tempted to call the current Fox/Trump/right reactionary as opposed to conservative here, but realistically, I think that's missing the point.

We've been evolving as a species for millenia, with stuff like monarchies, printing presses, democracies, communism, facism etc, all just being things that developed along the way.

But what's allowed a hominid with no claws to dominate the planet, imo, is our ability to adapt and think, and I think recording our history and learning from it is critical if we want to survive as a species even a little longer.