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Which is a bigger disrespect to the US flag?

Kneeling while the national anthem is playing, or flying the flag off the tailgate of your smoke belching diesel truck with the flag whipping to threads?

Just wondering why one is considered "patriotic" by many.
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nedkelly · 61-69, M
FFS Kneeling, it has achieved nothing at all, infact it increases racism
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@nedkelly This is the funniest larp
justanothername · 51-55, M
@nedkelly I think it has increased the level of racial hypocrisy.
GERRI · 51-55, F
Benjr134 · M
@nedkelly Actually according to the 4 U.S. Code both are just as reprehensible. However, I have seen people do things with the flag that go against the code and then turn get mad at someone for kneeling even though they are both in the wrong. However, if you’re protesting and have been told that all your other forms of protestations are told not to be right I think kneeling is a fairly none violent way of doing it. Also, I have met many soldiers that feel this is a respectable way to do as it doesn’t actually disrespect the flag, their words not mine. As for increasing racism, I think that’s a lie. It has increased racism in the public eye for sure, but someone deciding to “become” racist because of someone kneeling before the flag was already racist. They just needed justification to act out.
Northwest · M
@Benjr134
Actually according to the 4 U.S. Code both are just as reprehensible.

US Code, title 4, Chapter 1, Section 3, applies to advertising using the flag, and only in the District of Columbia. Section 4 talks about the pledge and how people should behave, but there's no "must" in there, only "should", and there are no penalties.
Benjr134 · M
@Northwest U.S. Code § 7 - Position and manner of display and U.S. Code §8. Respect for flag. The 4 was in there by mistake.
Northwest · M
@Benjr134 This applies to the District of Columbia.
Benjr134 · M
@Northwest not according to the Cornell Law School. Which isn’t situated in DC.
Benjr134 · M
@Northwest Title 4 of the United States Code outlines the role of flag of the United States, Great Seal of the United States, Washington, DC, and the states in the United States Code. So like it says it states the role of the flag, the great seal, Washington DC and the other states.
Northwest · M
@Benjr134
not according to the Cornell Law School. Which isn’t situated in DC.

I don't what the location of the Cornell School of Law has to do with the District of Columbia legal code. The US Code applies to the federal district: D.C.

US Code, title 4, Chapter 1, Section 3, starts with: Any person who, within the District of Columbia....
Benjr134 · M
@Northwest so you took one part of the entire thing and thought it was just for the District of Columbia. I was talking about sections 7 and 8 which speak nation wide. It’s called Title 4 of the United States Code for a reason. It doesn’t just take affect in DC.
Northwest · M
@Benjr134
but there's no "must" in there, only "should", and there are no penalties.

I outlined the only section that carries penalties. It only applies to D.C. Per my initial comment to you, everything else is "should", not "must", this makes it a set of wishes, not requirements.
Benjr134 · M
@Northwest I never spoke of penalties. I don’t think someone kneeling should be punished. I’m only saying that according to this they’re both just as bad. Meaning if someone is ok with smoking out the flag with diesel fumes, they should be ok with people kneeling. However, you get so many people desecrating the flag in other ways, thinking they’re a patriot, then get mad at someone who kneels, not realizing that person considers themselves a patriot as well. People don’t realize the people they’re mad at are just the other side of the coin. That the way they interpret things isn’t law and therefore someone who simply doesn’t do things the way they like it aren’t criminals. A lot of people I knew would get upset and use the “people fought and died” argument. Then a friend of mine decided to speak with a mutual friend who was a soldier about it. He simply said I fight for people to have the right to kneel in protest if they want. We are not a tyrannical country and looking at someone who is using this as a form of protest, that’s their right.
Northwest · M
@Benjr134 I'm just saying that the flag code is sometime mistaken for a set of laws. It is not, and with the exception of a single DC regulation, there are no penalties. All these "patriots" out there are hypocrites.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@GERRI White Americans consider this to be disrespectful of the Anthem and Flag of their country and what they represent

So the question that no one is asking is Why are some black athletes choosing to kneel when the US National Anthem is being played?


Because Black Americans believe they are disrespected by America (Americans and the media) so why should they stand and support a flag anthem that doesn’t support them?

That’s my take on it.