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A big issue I have with certain forms of socialism

If you are born with a disability or condition, become injured in sport or war or develop something in old age through no fault of your own whilst being a productive, healthy member of society, I completely understand socialised healthcare for such people if they have paid into it.

However, I find something immoral about the idea of someone who has put a lot of money into exercise equipment/gym and healthy food, and time into exercising and preparing healthy meals, to then have to pay for the surgery of someone in their 40s who has just had heart failure as a direct result of going to mcdonalds every day and their only exercise being a couple minute walk to the cinema. Money that he could have put into the healthier man's children, or his hobbies, or into a business.
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everyoneknows · 31-35, T
ever heard of emotional eating? its caused by depression and other things which some ignorant shallow sociopaths fail to understand. not saying its the case
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@everyoneknows Yes, I was born severely crippled which makes exercise very hard. I do it anyway. Did it for 5 hours today. I also suffered from a severe facial condition that made it look like the tree man at one point (and it's permanently wrecked my face to a large extent), so the emotional stress was there too. I ended up getting fat. I thought, "no matter how much i look after my health, ill be crippled so i might aswell just comfort eat". But then one day I decided to screw my feelings and fix myself, even though whatever I do, I'll still be crippled. I bought healthier food, despite not even making minimum wage and living on my own paying rent. It also takes me a long time to lose weight, and I put it on easy.

So, I have
Physical disability
Emotional issues
very little money
difficulty losing weight

Yet I still decided that I have no excuse to be overweight.
everyoneknows · 31-35, T
@pianoplayingsteve well im glsd sbout you but not everyone is as lucky
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@everyoneknows That's a non answer. What I did has nothing to do with luck. How does luck make you exercise for four hours? How does luck make you swap the biscuits for vegetables? Being born how I was was definitely not lucky, either.
everyoneknows · 31-35, T
@pianoplayingsteve you were lucky to have the will power to do it. some peole are in deep depression and cant.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@everyoneknows I have had a deep depression for over ten years that at one point I was medicated for. Mainly because I pretty much cant do anything normally due to my conditions. No "luck" was involved in dealing with that.
everyoneknows · 31-35, T
@pianoplayingsteve BUT SOME PEOPLE HAVE PURELY MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS OK? accept it .
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@everyoneknows I know some people have just mental health problems. I've had both. How does pointing out people have had less difficulties than me prove anything?
everyoneknows · 31-35, T
@pianoplayingsteve sadly you dont understand there are people suffering a lot more than you so this is useless
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@everyoneknows Could you explain how someone suffering with mental health issues is suffering more than someone with both mental health and physical issues?
Whilst having mental health issues i also cant walk, dress, shave, sit, or stand properly.
everyoneknows · 31-35, T
@pianoplayingsteve yes they can ofc hah you are so naive. you can even suicide from depresion while being comppetly healthy physically
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@everyoneknows Yes i know, I have those suicidal depressive thoughts whilst also being physically disabled.
everyoneknows · 31-35, T
@pianoplayingsteve hum no you are wrong you cant state that you are worse than anyone just because you are physically handicapped
im not gona discuss this further
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@everyoneknows And also suffering with depression and anxiety.

Your argument is literally "it's worse to be depressed than physically disabled and depressed". Which makes no sense...

If depression is so bad, then yeah it's bad and I've got it, ontop of all the physical disabilities. If depression is bad. And physical disability is bad, then having both is worse. Though I dont think you actually want a human discussion so bye.
Penny · 46-50, F
@pianoplayingsteve ever watch My 600 lb Life? most of the people on there were sexually abused as children. There can be many causes for clinical depression besides physical handicap. There's crippling emotional problems and chemical imbalances in the brain to be considered caused by trauma or traumatic associations. You broke through your depression. Not everyone does. If you think that makes them weak then that is fine to have an opinion and maybe it's true, and to say the weak doesnt deserve the rewards of your hard effort is perfectly reasonable but at the same time it's lacking in any empathy or consideration of their probable causes. We have higher faculties such as morality or ethical concerns to consider. Not just survival of the fittest. What if it was your child or family member? Would you want the responsibility or would you like to see their care in the hands of the governing body?
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Penny I read science books and volunteer at my local ambulance branch, I don't watch reality TV.
I haven't broken through my depression. Every day I wish I was dead. Every day I feel I should have been aborted, both due to my physical state and my emotional state. Whatever positive I do, I'll still be crippled and scarred. However, I push on.
if it were my child, I'd wish to provide all the support I could for them.
Penny · 46-50, F
@pianoplayingsteve well, i am sorry you feel that way and that you have to deal with difficult circumstances. what can I say? the government does seem to be leaning towards a socialistic state. what can we all do but vote republican for the presidency?
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Penny Perhaps you could actually just agree with me? That seems an impossibility for anyone on the internet. People just have to disagree with someone else to feel they are fighting for some moral virtue, and it gets to a point like this one in which it just devolves into something that has nothing to do with anything. But it seems people would rather everything devolve into chaos than ever admit that perhaps the other person has a point.

There is no excuse. No person, no event, no group who are forcing anyone to put any unhealthy food into your mouth, let alone to the extent that turns you obese. And I find it morally reprehensible that there are people who try to make out like it is this uncontrollable condition that in any way is similar to being born with a disability.
Take the crap out of your mouth, that's it.
Penny · 46-50, F
@pianoplayingsteve there are plenty of legitimate excuses which i wont get into. i cant agree with you because i disagree completely for many reasons. i'm not fighting for any moral virtue you just are talking about things you dont know about. just because you were able to lose the weight doesnt mean everyone is able. plenty of obese people have jobs and remain healthy too. it is really offensive your generalizations about obesity. especially coming from a man. men lose weight much more easily than women. womens bodies are designed to store fat for childbearing. I'm not trying to argue with you but thats my opinion and i could back it up but dont really want to get into that much.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Penny If you were confident in your excuses you'd have no issue bringing them up. My penis has nothing to do with it and it is offensive for you to bring my sexual identity into it. You may be a lady, but I can assure you having a good portion of your body crippled makes it even harder to deal with your weight. So, thanks for that whilst accusing me of generalising!
Penny · 46-50, F
@pianoplayingsteve lol. i just dont want to get into my personal business or make examples of anyone. and its not about your sexual identity its about your gender and how it relates to health matters. i hope you were trying to be humorous
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Penny "I dont want to generalise, also it's easier for you because you have a penis, forget your physical disability"
Penny · 46-50, F
@pianoplayingsteve exercise isnt necessary for weight loss
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Penny Ah, indeed. Because being able to both eat healthy and exercise burning off calories does not make it easier to lose weight than just eating healthy. Whilst yes it is more about what you eat, it sure as heck helps! And to be honest I dont want to have this conversation any more. You claim to not generalise then immediately make a judgement about how easy something is for me because I'm a man and then brush off the difficulties I've had with my health due to my physical limitations.