Funny how these Christian-hypocritical moments just keep coming up. Most of the people (not including you in the group unless you are) shouting about "no room for error" and "just stop and follow orders" forget the commandment to throw the stone only if they themselves are blameless.
I have no need of a world where mercy isn't shown for a mistake that wasn't made as the result of any deficiency but executive decision in a millisecond. And there is no position where that's "simply unacceptable, because it's "simply inevitable."
I wonder if we have such indignation when the military bombs the entirely wrong village.
@Graylight I’m confused. Are you saying the cop should be forgiven on the grounds of “everyone makes mistakes”?
That’s fine I don’t disagree everyone makes mistakes. But will corrective action follow? For the police time and time again when they make fatal errors the answer has been “no”.
@Graylight wait lol I read it and got confused again. Now I think you’re defending the cops. And for the record I get indignant about the US’ military overreach as well
@FlowersNButterflies yep. also I find it amusing how quickly were supposed to forgive the cops when they do a booboo. but when we mess up they throw the book at us
@NoahB First, have a complete thought and then post it. What's with all these posts?
@NoahB @FlowersNButterflies Well aware of systemic racism. And while the stop never needed to be initiated the way it was, it wasn't incumbent on the female officer to alter that. She played her part dutifully and made a fatal mistake.
No, not double standards, not be forgiven. What is to be gained in putting someone in jail for a human error? We are one of the most punitive nations on earth. not [i]every[/i] bad occurrence needs blame assigned to someone. AS it is, she's been charged with manslaughter, which is a fair compromise.
Lastly, not even aware if you can see it, but the hypocrisy of the right is palpable on this issue. Any other day of the week you'd be shouting that the kid should've just followed the rule and his death is on him. Any other day. All of a sudden, that binary, tunnel-vision sight is shifted to someone who spent 26 years keeping people safe. How many lives have you saved?
@Graylight [quote]What is to be gained in putting someone in jail for a human error?[/quote] What is to be gained? Accountability from government officials. Signaling to the public that law enforcement who act on behalf of the state will not be permitted to execute suspects with or without it being a 'mistake'.
[quote]We are one of the most punitive nations on earth. [/quote] Holding a police officer accountable is alot different than private citizens being herded into prison. Police have so much more power, authority, and trust invested in them by the state. They should be held up to a much higher standard, especially with all the legal protections they already enjoy.
[quote] Funny how easily you forgive them all when they kills all the black drivers.[/quote] no idea what you're talking about here.
[quote]No, not double standards, not be forgiven.[/quote]
Actually, the SCotUS set up a double standard, which is crazy.
[quote]What is to be gained in putting someone in jail for a human error?[/quote]
I'm sorry, it isn't as though she, the officer, misfiled a piece of paper. She KILLED a guy when attempting to simply get him to stop a non-threatening action.
She took an oath "to serve and protect", which implies limits to force and very sparing & judicious use of lethal force.
If she can't tell the difference between what is intended to be a NON-lethal weapon & a lethal one, regardless of "heat of yhe moment," then I am sorry, she needs to be prosecuted for murder and never work in this situation (or be able to have firearms) again.
Do you think a doctor who mistakenly removes the wrong foot should still practice medicine, after taking the Hippocratic oath?
Would you want a firefighter who applied gas rather than foam to a fire?
How about an EMS tech who used the wrong dose or drug and caused death?
[quote] We are one of the most punitive nations on earth.[/quote]
True, but we incarcerate tons of people for non-violent crimes, esp. with regard to drugs. THAT and for-profit prisons deserve your ire far more than trying to excuse this police person.
[quote]noteverybad occurrence needs blame assigned to someone.[/quote]
True, but, again, we aren't talking about, say, misplaced car keys, forgetting to pick up milk, etc.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PERSON BEING KILLED BY A SO-CALLED "PROFESSIONAL" WHO COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HER LETHAL & (supposedly) NON-LETHAL WEAPONS. She was not supposed to use lethal force.
[quote]AS it is, she's been charged with manslaughter, which is a fair compromise.[/quote]
I disagree. It was murder. Not premeditated, AFAIK, but murder.
The bottom line is we can't tolerate murdering our citizens. Life is the only means by which we have any freedom. Deprivation of life is an assault on ALL of our freedoms.
@NoahB @SomeMichGuy Not arguing this point anymore. Decisions have been made in the spirit of a compromise and justice. That's the end of it.
I also refuse to engage with those who really, truly have no understanding of the ramification, precedent, psychology or social effect of this issue. Just more cacophony from the sound caves - a lot of utterances and sound but no real intelligible thought.
@FlowersNButterflies Systemic racism is a significant problem within professions and in society. But at hand right now is this one officer's actions in a single crisis incident.
